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Can I put it this side?
Their trust in me to

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do this myself is their
number. First mistake.

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Join us now is investigative journalist
Jeremy Corbell. Good to see you.

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Corbell is an investigative journalist who
helped obtain and release the DoD footage

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of UFOs and made contact with this DoD
whistleblower as far back as 14 months ago.

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The front lines of UFO disclosure.

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It is scary if that's true, Joe.

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I think you guys are.

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Investigative filmmaker Jeremy
Corbell got a shout out during the

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hearing for obtaining UAP videos
and releasing them to the public.

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The images obtained by Jeremy Corbell.

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The Pentagon confirming the images
are being reviewed by a task force.

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The man who's been pushing for
better transparency, Mr. Jeremy Corbell.

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It's everywhere as of late
and now the government's

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starting and I'm
like, what's going on?

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Do they exist?

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I also want to thank my buddy
Jeremy Corbell for providing

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these documents and
access to some whistleblowers.

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The footage is incredible.

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The United States government
has gathered a great

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deal of information about
UAPs over many decades.

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Biologics came with
some of these recoveries.

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Were they, I guess, human
or non-human biologics?

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Non-human and that was the
assessment of people with direct knowledge

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on the program I talked to that
are currently still on the program.

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And Jeremy Corbell played a big role
in bringing these questions to the public.

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If he looks familiar, that's
because he was sitting

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behind Fravor, Grush and
Graves today in that testimony.

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Thanks for having me, man.
It's the duty of journalism to

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investigate the unexplained,
not explain the uninvestigated.

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Slowly, the U.S. government
has acknowledged that they're real.

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Corbell released these videos.

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What else is weird is Jeremy Corbell
said a bunch of people are going to

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start saying there's a mothership
coming to Earth and don't believe him.

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Remember he was saying that?
Somehow he does have inside cons,

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but if he says too much, he
puts his whole life in danger.

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We've talked to you so
many times over the years.

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You're one of the world's
leading experts in UAPs and UFOs.

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He's the most unconventional
figure in this space, covered

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in tattoos, a former
martial artist, a former artist.

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And yet he's somehow the one in
the know, standing at the center of it all.

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I've been holding a
secret for about 11 years.

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You know, absolute proof
beyond any reasonable doubt.

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UFOs are real. They're
threatening the life of a journalist.

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He asked you why, why, why,
why you waited for 11 years?

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Why didn't you
do this that year?

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I needed to verify it myself.

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George and I will be briefing
eight Congress people on video.

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And I'm telling you this over the phone.

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So any intelligence
agency that has a FISA

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on my phone, which my
lawyer is sure they do,

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knows that I am having that meeting
and now a lot of people know about it.

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All right, here's, here's
the deal. Your journalistic

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credentials mean jackship,
to put it loudly, all right?

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If you look in the 70s
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they used to have
reporters on their pay roll.

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They don't respect anybody. If you do
something that pisses them off, they're not

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going to come after you, not only you,
they're going to come after your family.

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And you've seen that happen?

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Yes. It's one of those things
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you really have stuff that is that
sensitive that you cannot release,

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you're relying on your
connection as a journalist,

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they're going to
throw you to the dogs.

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I've been having a very
surreal, uh, series of days, yeah.

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Hey, thanks so much, man. I appreciate it.

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Yeah, of course.

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The, the daily reality of
how often do I get contacted?

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Government whistleblowers
or just the average

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person that says, what
the fuck is that I just saw?

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You know, launch a Starlink
or something like that, a rocket.

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Non-stop.

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I, I don't think there was any
fuckery, but I need you to confirm.

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So, this is how it came.

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How do you know what to go after?

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I see original Polaroid, holy shit.

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And where is this?

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Yeah, that looks right.

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Where is this from?

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It's from Los Alamos National Laboratory.

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Your dad died, right?

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He did. He passed away about a month ago.

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I'm sorry to hear that.

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My dad died too.

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Thank you.

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What was your dad's position
and why do we find this interesting?

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He was in charge of all computer and cyber,
cyber security for the entire laboratory.

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So, I sent you some official
documents from the lab that

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talk about meetings they had
about atmospheric anomalies.

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There's also some information
in there about Russian sightings.

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I recognize some of the names because
I know a lot of these motherfuckers.

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I had no idea what my father did.
He never discussed his job.

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Why are you nervous?
Just tell me for legit

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why you're nervous. I
can tell you're nervous.

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Like, I don't belong in
this world, but here I am.

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The UFO world?

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Yeah.

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I don't belong in this
world. I'm like, I'm

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like the least qualified
person on planet Earth.

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But I thank you for
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one thing I am is I
am worthy of your trust.

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Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna relax though
because I feel really uptight right now.

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Yeah.

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It's a crazy fucking week.

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He was the most curious kid ever.

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Then I heard that he was
listening to George Knapp.

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Hello and welcome to On The Record.

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About nine months ago,
we invited former State

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Senate candidate John
Lear to appear on this

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program to talk not about
politics, but about UFOs.

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George Knapp, he's a journalist who broke
the story about Area 51 several years ago.

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Thank you both for being here on the show.

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That just weaponized his curiosity.

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Well, I did say, Jeremy, maybe
you need to find another career.

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I said that to him and
he's gone, yeah, right.

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He knows way too much.

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I'm afraid he's gonna die.

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They're gonna put it...
I mean, there is a hit out on him.

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That's what I was told.

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And that he's not gonna
be able to protect himself.

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Am I an investigative journalist?

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I'm a husband. I'm a daddy to my doggies.

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Really, my business is
apartments and properties.

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This is, you know, the
glorious life of a UFO hunter.

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There's the maintenance and the renting.

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This is how we make our money.

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So it's like the UFO thing for me is
out of passion and because I love it.

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These are solvable problems
compared to the UFO thing.

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The UFO thing, unimaginably
difficult, I don't know what to say.

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How does somebody get so
deep into the UFO subject?

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To really understand the full picture,
I'm gonna need to start where it all began.

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You need to go see Sensei Jeremy Corbell.

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Martial athletics, since nine
years old, you know, first time I was

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able to punch somebody in the
face and not get in trouble for it.

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I was in severe pains, what you'd call
groin pains, but I had my hips x-rayed.

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They're thinking about coming
and cutting out the Bursa.

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I mean, all sorts of crazy stuff.

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I was also very inflexible because of this.

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I have ADD and a decoding
disability that makes it very difficult

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sometimes for me to focus and
concentrate, or at least really used to.

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I'm highly dyslexic. I have one
of the highest levels of dyslexia.

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Needless to say, growing
up was a challenge, okay?

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But what I realized is that
obstacles are opportunities.

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Thank you, Professor.

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I could see where I was
going, all these schools, more

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money than I could ever
spend realistically as a young kid.

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So I had everything.

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And I was just curious,
is it possible there's

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anything else for me, my
spirit, like what I'm to do?

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And God damn, did life answer.

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So I was in Nepal.

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I was like, where's the easiest
place to keep moving, to keep going?

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And I was like, okay,
I'm going to go to India.

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When I started getting
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bronchitis or something,
you know, take antibiotics.

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I remember calling my
mom and dad and telling them

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like something isn't right,
like I'm coming home.

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He sort of blows things off like, oh, it's no problem. I'm
not stressed. You know, I can handle it. But as a mom, I

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had contracted valley fever, but it was, it had become so
corrosive in my body, untreated, because I was overseas.

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It had fucked up my kidneys, my
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in my bloodstream. Being a martial
athlete, that was my entire identity.

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When your identity is so wrapped
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have that anymore, you can't do
that anymore, you feel like you die.

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I started taking apart
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together again, just
something I could do mentally.

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An exhibit honoring actress Sharon
Tate was on display in Culver City.

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It was a symbol of freedom,
and she was a symbol of love.

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I don't even know how that
happened. Total accidental artist.

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This whole career was because of an illness,
you know? And I was having testing done,

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like, every three days for blood, so they
always took it and looked really beautiful.

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It was red, you know? And so then they
gave me, I said, well, that's beautiful.

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I need that for my work. And so
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I got a camera for my
wedding, and started

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practicing on my
honeymoon, like, how to use it.

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He did those black and
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when I started learning about
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The first person that I
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and was like, oh, fuck,
it's like a Rubik's Cube.

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You know, I gotta, I gotta, I
gotta get this person talking.

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It was really hard,
was John Lear.

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In the more than five years since
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no guest has inspired such a widespread
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as has John Lear, son
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pioneer and a world-class
pilot in his own right.

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I was approached by a government
theoretical physicist, employed

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by the government, who works
on the saucers up at Groom Lake.

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He has seen the aliens,
he is tired of the cover-up.

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John Lear, people know
about him because his father

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was the inventor of the
Learjet, 8-track stereo.

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This is a guy that had some
credibility in some ways, publicly.

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He was the person that
you'd want to be able to

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interview and talk with
about this phenomenon.

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I am so hungry and curious
to know what I don't know.

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I mean, it's like a
sickness, bro. It's like, it's a

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sickness, you know? Like
my curiosity. It's a sickness.

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The government has retrieved between
10 and 15 factual flying saucers, three

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of which have been in perfect
condition, one of which they tried to fly.

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They have between 30 and 50
alien bodies in cryogenic storage.

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It's not about UFOs to me, you know?
You know, what got me interested?

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Well, I always point to when I
heard Bob Lazar on the radio.

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Well, there's several, actually
nine flying saucers, flying

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discs, that are out there
of extraterrestrial origin.

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As a 13-year-old idiot kid,
but that really sparked me.

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But, you know, I put that down. I
didn't devote my life to it from there.

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Bob Lazar is the reason
why you know about Area

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51 and you know about
UFOs in popular culture.

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The original, like, I guess,
whistleblower about the UFO thing.

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He says he was hired
to work at an area called

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S4, which is a few miles
south of Groom Lake.

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At S4, he says, are flying saucers
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of technology that is seemingly
beyond human capabilities.

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The live interview with the shadowy
dentist drew international attention.

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His real name is Robert Lazar.
The choice of Dennis was an inside joke.

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He says that's the name of his superior
at Groom Lake. It wasn't a joke to Dennis.

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Why did I go for John? Probably because,
you know, in this part of my brain,

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I knew that the Bob Lazar story
was somehow filtered through Lear.

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That's my driveway. That's Bob.

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I remember trying to get a
hold of Lear for over a year.

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Hi, this is John Lear. I'm not
at home right now, but please

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leave a message and I'll
get right back to you. Thanks.

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But I remember at one point, I just
cold called his phone and he picked up.

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I couldn't believe it.
And then how open he was with me.

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So I just, I saw this like
window, you know, there he is.

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And I said, Hey man, I
want to learn about UFOs.

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Come on over, Jeremy.

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00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,480
The hell?
You know, who's this crazy person?

226
00:15:24,620 --> 00:15:25,620
He doesn't know me.

227
00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,597
And I didn't even
really tell him I was a

228
00:15:27,609 --> 00:15:29,860
filmmaker because I wasn't
a filmmaker at the time.

229
00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,060
So I said, cool. Yeah.

230
00:15:31,340 --> 00:15:33,270
Yeah. I want to bring,
you know, a camera and

231
00:15:33,282 --> 00:15:35,180
kind of document some
of what you're saying.

232
00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,036
And I think he was
just hungry for attention.

233
00:15:37,060 --> 00:15:40,340
He's like, come on over. Yeah. Yeah. Come
to Vegas, Las Vegas, Nevada. Come on over.

234
00:15:40,341 --> 00:15:41,341
I'm like, okay.

235
00:16:25,790 --> 00:16:27,190
Hey, John, I'm out at the gate.

236
00:17:09,070 --> 00:17:12,350
And then of course, when I got
there, he like wouldn't say shit to me.

237
00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,976
So like at the time he wasn't supposed
to smoke and drink and all that stuff.

238
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,960
He always, man, he made me get, like go
get him cigars and sneak them in the house.

239
00:17:35,060 --> 00:17:36,806
All the stuff his wife
didn't want him to have.

240
00:17:36,830 --> 00:17:43,680
Jeremy, sneak me in a
five pack of Philly Titans.

241
00:17:44,260 --> 00:17:45,640
You can get them at Walgreens.

242
00:17:46,780 --> 00:17:49,100
Marilee's cut me off to
sneak them in the house.

243
00:17:49,850 --> 00:17:52,880
And I wasn't getting shit from him
unless I brought the cigars, you know.

244
00:17:52,881 --> 00:17:53,881
Yeah.

245
00:18:01,260 --> 00:18:05,018
Being 13 years old, I
was so influenced by this

246
00:18:05,030 --> 00:18:08,960
thought that there's a
prolific intelligent life,

247
00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,360
technologically advanced everywhere.

248
00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,720
That's how I heard of John Lear.

249
00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:17,720
I have no fucking idea where this is going.

250
00:18:18,580 --> 00:18:25,560
But my journey now is to tell
the real story, the real message.

251
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,160
It's the start of a new journey in my life.

252
00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,240
He was so passionate about it.

253
00:18:33,340 --> 00:18:34,480
I was happy for him.

254
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,640
I didn't think he would make any
money at having that as a career.

255
00:18:39,130 --> 00:18:42,660
I hope it answers questions and I
hope it gives me a million others.

256
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,464
His toilet would be
broken and it's like ghost

257
00:18:45,476 --> 00:18:47,600
flushing and I can hear
the sound in my footage.

258
00:18:47,925 --> 00:18:51,100
So I'll go and fix the ghost flush in the
toilet because I've done it a billion times

259
00:18:51,101 --> 00:18:54,600
because of my history of, you know,
maintenance and property and all this stuff.

260
00:18:57,540 --> 00:19:01,300
And once he realized that I
could do that, game over, man.

261
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,340
You know, so I'm like the
handyman at his house.

262
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,900
And then computers, forget about it.

263
00:19:07,985 --> 00:19:10,380
Usually when I click that, it
just comes over the whole thing.

264
00:19:10,381 --> 00:19:12,840
And this just has the context.

265
00:19:14,340 --> 00:19:16,800
John Lear wouldn't tell me shit about UFOs.

266
00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,140
But once he started, it was years, man.

267
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,400
Just telling me everything.

268
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,680
The moon was constructed in
Jupiter about 20 billion years ago.

269
00:19:29,660 --> 00:19:34,580
And it was towed to Earth sometime
between that 20 billion years and now.

270
00:19:34,581 --> 00:19:39,220
There's been many, many
civilizations on the Earth.

271
00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:43,100
One of the most advanced civilizations
is buried under the Sahara Desert.

272
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,100
They're erased and then they grow again.

273
00:19:45,220 --> 00:19:45,600
They're erased.

274
00:19:45,820 --> 00:19:48,316
This is where you get
all these stories about

275
00:19:48,328 --> 00:19:50,780
the civilizations like
Atlantis and Lemuris.

276
00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,369
Anyway, the moon is a place for
the guards to be sure that we don't

277
00:20:00,381 --> 00:20:04,320
escape or don't get away while
we're on Earth maturing our souls.

278
00:20:04,660 --> 00:20:07,020
This is John Lear from the Lear family.

279
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,160
And the guy had this
personal story that's so wild.

280
00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:11,260
And where did he end up?

281
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:12,720
Who's imprisoning us?

282
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:14,200
Those guys.

283
00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:17,480
The bad aliens, they
do interfere with our lives.

284
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,316
As a matter of fact, they're pretty
much in control of Earth right now.

285
00:20:20,340 --> 00:20:23,920
And there was a table of scientists there.

286
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:25,720
And...

287
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:27,640
Oh, thanks, darling.

288
00:20:27,730 --> 00:20:29,980
I had to make it a little
healthier for the kids.

289
00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:32,040
Because I had to put chicken on.

290
00:20:32,550 --> 00:20:34,940
Is it...
Do you need anything to drink, honey?

291
00:20:35,460 --> 00:20:35,680
What?

292
00:20:36,090 --> 00:20:37,400
Anything to drink, you guys?

293
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,640
No, this is fantastic, but I
could have a glass of water.

294
00:20:41,290 --> 00:20:45,420
Well, John Lear was a
real crazy conspiracy guy.

295
00:20:46,990 --> 00:20:49,460
But he was...
Jeremy was fascinated with him.

296
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,320
With John, it wasn't so much what was true.

297
00:20:51,645 --> 00:20:55,052
How did this guy come
to believe these things

298
00:20:55,064 --> 00:20:58,180
that are so extraordinary
or wild, right?

299
00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:02,700
Yeah, the guy I was talking to
here helped build the pyramids and...

300
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:05,040
Helped build the pyramids back in the day?

301
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,240
Yeah.

302
00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:07,300
How did you do that?

303
00:21:07,301 --> 00:21:11,600
The aliens are God's demons or something.

304
00:21:12,220 --> 00:21:13,220
Huh.

305
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:17,310
I was just kind of
documenting this human being

306
00:21:17,322 --> 00:21:20,480
that had these ideas
that were so far out there.

307
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:26,080
We have landed on the moon before, you
said six times, but just not with people?

308
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,560
No, we never landed on the moon.
Did I say that?

309
00:21:28,980 --> 00:21:34,520
As far as Dr. Mitchell and whether he
believes or not that he went to the moon...

310
00:21:34,695 --> 00:21:39,720
Liftoff. We have liftoff with Apollo 14.
Three minutes past the hour.

311
00:21:44,300 --> 00:21:51,660
This is very tough because Dr. Mitchell
is a hero. He participated in that program.

312
00:21:53,580 --> 00:22:01,580
He's going to be very irritated to know
that he's been the victim of mind control.

313
00:22:02,095 --> 00:22:07,620
Well, he didn't introduce me to
Dr. Mitchell. He more or less challenged me.

314
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:37,590
He's the sixth person to
ever walk on the moon.

315
00:22:39,820 --> 00:22:46,110
Why do you think that there's people that
no matter how much proof you give them,

316
00:22:46,505 --> 00:22:50,150
they don't want to believe
that you walked on the moon?

317
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,770
Bob's friend, a guy named John, John
Lear, you might have heard of him before.

318
00:22:54,330 --> 00:22:57,990
He's the son of the guy
that invented the Learjet.

319
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:58,530
I know, I know.

320
00:22:58,630 --> 00:23:00,931
Okay. You know, he's
one of those people that just

321
00:23:00,943 --> 00:23:03,210
doesn't buy NASA's story
about the moon landings.

322
00:23:03,330 --> 00:23:06,630
I was not aware that that
was Lear's attitude, frankly.

323
00:23:08,410 --> 00:23:11,650
And I'm sorry to hear that.
I knew his father quite well.

324
00:23:13,020 --> 00:23:16,650
And that makes no sense to me.

325
00:23:17,220 --> 00:23:18,370
That's not why I was there.

326
00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:22,930
I was there to talk to Dr. Edgar Mitchell
because he was born in Roswell, New Mexico.

327
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:25,150
People talked with him without a filter.

328
00:23:25,630 --> 00:23:29,524
Everybody involved with the
Roswell alleged UFO crash, they're

329
00:23:29,536 --> 00:23:33,630
going to, of course, talk to an
astronaut who walked on the moon.

330
00:23:33,810 --> 00:23:35,330
I grew up near Roswell, New Mexico.

331
00:23:35,670 --> 00:23:38,916
I was on my way off
to college when the

332
00:23:38,928 --> 00:23:42,770
so-called Roswell
incident took place in 1947.

333
00:23:42,771 --> 00:23:46,930
He knows everybody from when
he was born and raised there.

334
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:50,590
Several of the people talked over my
sleeve and said, can we talk about...

335
00:23:50,591 --> 00:23:54,615
They said, well, the UFO
idea, what it turns out, these

336
00:23:54,627 --> 00:23:58,590
people were all descendants
of what I call old timers.

337
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:06,967
For example, the descendants of
the Undertaker who had provided small

338
00:24:06,979 --> 00:24:10,950
coffins out to the military to carry
the bodies of the deceased ETs.

339
00:24:10,951 --> 00:24:13,620
That if you're an astronaut and
you start knocking on doors of

340
00:24:13,632 --> 00:24:16,530
government and start talking to
people, they're going to trust you.

341
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:21,910
So I knew that he had insight into the UFO
thing that he had not been saying publicly.

342
00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:23,010
I knew he did.

343
00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:27,058
But I wanted to find out how much
of that is belief and how much of that

344
00:24:27,070 --> 00:24:30,970
is very specifically the knowledge
that he had that other people didn't.

345
00:24:31,050 --> 00:24:32,090
So that's why I was there.

346
00:24:32,091 --> 00:24:34,270
I did not give a fuck about the moon.

347
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:39,650
I did take this to the
Pentagon a few years later.

348
00:24:39,651 --> 00:24:42,270
And we did get an
interview with the

349
00:24:42,282 --> 00:24:45,790
intelligence officer,
the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

350
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:47,490
This is not just government.

351
00:24:47,690 --> 00:24:48,790
It's not just military.

352
00:24:48,791 --> 00:24:51,190
It appears to be a cabal.

353
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:54,442
President Eisenhower
on his retirement warned

354
00:24:54,454 --> 00:24:57,070
against the military
industrial complex.

355
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:07,874
So what we have here likely is a cabal of
the military industrial complex worldwide

356
00:25:07,886 --> 00:25:11,710
that has been able to control this
thing and hold it for their own purposes.

357
00:25:12,130 --> 00:25:13,130
There's no question.

358
00:25:13,890 --> 00:25:15,010
David is very strong.

359
00:25:15,210 --> 00:25:15,750
They've been here.

360
00:25:16,050 --> 00:25:17,050
And are here.

361
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,850
Sixth man to walk on the moon, right?

362
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:21,570
Yeah, that's a pretty
cool friend to have, man.

363
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:22,590
He knew some people.

364
00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:24,350
He could connect me with people.

365
00:25:24,450 --> 00:25:25,290
That was really cool.

366
00:25:25,330 --> 00:25:26,210
I learned a lot from him.

367
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:29,470
Not just from him, but some of
the people he led me to speak with.

368
00:25:29,910 --> 00:25:31,450
My name's John Alexander.

369
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,910
I spent 30-some years in the military.

370
00:25:35,150 --> 00:25:36,590
Went from private through colonel.

371
00:25:37,170 --> 00:25:39,970
My second career was Los
Alamos National Laboratory.

372
00:25:39,971 --> 00:25:41,990
I've worked in aerospace.

373
00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:45,672
While in the military, I
created an ad hoc group

374
00:25:45,684 --> 00:25:48,630
on UFOs who studied
the subject intentionally.

375
00:25:48,930 --> 00:25:49,930
It was top secret.

376
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:53,210
And what you know was
about top secret clearances.

377
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:56,107
We had people from
all of the services, the

378
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,970
intelligence community,
and aerospace industry.

379
00:25:59,370 --> 00:26:02,370
What we found was not
at all what we anticipated.

380
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:05,110
What does that mean?

381
00:26:05,111 --> 00:26:06,970
Every agency was interested.

382
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:08,870
Every agency knew the stories.

383
00:26:09,390 --> 00:26:11,570
Everybody thought
somebody else was doing it.

384
00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:12,830
UFOs are real.

385
00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:19,230
And I mean by that a very hard craft that
transit our physical reality as we know it.

386
00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:23,330
Whatever this is, it is far more
complex than we ever anticipated.

387
00:26:23,650 --> 00:26:26,070
We're not even asking
the right questions yet.

388
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:28,870
Let's start a sentence with, John Lear is.

389
00:26:29,820 --> 00:26:33,350
Oh, John Lear is a very
interesting and colorful character.

390
00:26:33,630 --> 00:26:38,870
Unfortunately, we violently
disagree on notions of reality.

391
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:43,110
Certainly, I firmly believe that
we did put man on the moon.

392
00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:50,000
You guys seem to have, you know,
some sort of respect for one another,

393
00:26:50,012 --> 00:26:53,770
despite the fact that, you
know, you think he's totally crazy.

394
00:26:53,771 --> 00:26:54,230
Yeah.

395
00:26:54,550 --> 00:26:59,210
Well, let's understand. I mean, his
history with, like, Air America as a pilot.

396
00:26:59,470 --> 00:27:02,690
We both were in Southeast Asia.

397
00:27:03,150 --> 00:27:05,150
Certainly respect those kind of adventures.

398
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:08,210
The guy really had quite an exotic past.

399
00:27:08,610 --> 00:27:11,387
Do you think he would
intentionally lead me the

400
00:27:11,399 --> 00:27:14,010
wrong way just for his
own kind of pleasure?

401
00:27:14,530 --> 00:27:17,630
Or do you think... I have no idea. I
mean, you're asking about his motive.

402
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:21,410
I have no idea or way to discern that.

403
00:27:25,210 --> 00:27:26,210
Free booze.

404
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:28,350
Why did they think they went to a moon?

405
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:33,170
Because they got on this big-ass
rocket and shot it up in the air.

406
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:35,470
You don't think they could have been baked?

407
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:36,870
No.

408
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:42,930
Do you ever ask yourself,
like, are you just nuts?

409
00:27:44,550 --> 00:27:45,550
Am I just nuts?

410
00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:48,690
No.

411
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,690
I know this is all real.
That's where I'm at.

412
00:27:54,790 --> 00:27:57,470
And if I'm not, it's too bad.
It's a great ride, you know.

413
00:27:59,110 --> 00:28:03,350
It was a constant barrage.
And to this day, a lot of it was bullshit.

414
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,190
It doesn't mean he didn't believe it.
You know, he believed it.

415
00:28:07,390 --> 00:28:11,570
You say this as if you've seen it.
So, how do you know?

416
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,762
About seven years ago, I
was on AboveTopSecret.

417
00:28:14,774 --> 00:28:18,110
com, and a guy started to
post whose name was Sleeper,

418
00:28:18,330 --> 00:28:21,508
talking about being in
the army and having been

419
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,050
picked up by aliens and
taken all over the universe.

420
00:28:25,051 --> 00:28:27,844
He's talking about
this guy. This guy that's

421
00:28:27,856 --> 00:28:30,470
like a UFO Jesus. I
mean, some weird guy.

422
00:28:32,125 --> 00:28:34,885
And like you said, he met the dude online.
The dude wrote some books.

423
00:28:34,910 --> 00:28:38,690
Well, he was brought here to Earth in 1952.

424
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:43,810
The main problem is to get
out of here, this prison planet.

425
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:48,330
And according to Sleeper, I'm done.

426
00:28:48,580 --> 00:28:54,710
When he says, little angels like John get
passed right on through without judgment.

427
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:58,510
That's pretty strong.

428
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,670
Did you see the part yet where I
fucking made them meet face to face?

429
00:29:10,910 --> 00:29:14,930
I guess, you know, proceeding
with John, I was wondering if, at

430
00:29:14,942 --> 00:29:18,910
your convenience, if you have
interest, you know, to meet him.

431
00:29:18,911 --> 00:29:22,845
Because as far as for his
ideas, as I've said, you've

432
00:29:22,857 --> 00:29:26,430
played such a pivotal
role in his understanding.

433
00:29:26,431 --> 00:29:28,650
I mean, he has such
an admiration for you.

434
00:29:28,662 --> 00:29:31,470
It seems like it goes both
ways. Any month, any time.

435
00:29:31,790 --> 00:29:34,758
You know, just for a couple
days, a weekend, you know,

436
00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:37,750
I could, you know, essentially
bring you out to Vegas.

437
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:57,840
Do you want to do it over?

438
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,320
You know, I think that was
actually really good. It was natural.

439
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:16,560
So, I'm in the UFO phenomena. I came
here in a ship. And I learned a few things.

440
00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:24,080
I learned a few things about Jesus,
Buddha, Mohammed, and other beings.

441
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,820
And I've explained a lot
of the things in my books.

442
00:30:34,430 --> 00:30:35,430
Let me get a drink.

443
00:30:35,470 --> 00:30:35,870
Okay, yeah.

444
00:30:36,130 --> 00:30:39,210
Well, I just want you to know that this
is the first time I'm in front of a camera.

445
00:30:39,211 --> 00:30:43,310
So, I have no experience
of being in front of a camera.

446
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:50,190
John Lear happened to
want to link up with me.

447
00:30:50,290 --> 00:30:55,530
Because, you know, we're all friends.
We haven't met.

448
00:30:56,510 --> 00:30:58,050
Okay, when you're ready, come on in.

449
00:31:01,870 --> 00:31:04,100
The infamous Lou. Come on over here.

450
00:31:04,660 --> 00:31:05,300
How's it going?

451
00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:06,900
Just like your picture.

452
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,240
Oh, well that's good.

453
00:31:12,340 --> 00:31:13,340
So...

454
00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:18,140
But little angels like John get passed
right on through without judgment.

455
00:31:18,141 --> 00:31:20,560
So just hold on to that ticket.

456
00:31:22,140 --> 00:31:22,880
Is it still valid?

457
00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:24,140
Oh, sure.

458
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:26,100
You know, I brought the icon.

459
00:31:26,101 --> 00:31:31,320
The person that you can defer
everything to and just believe.

460
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:34,940
And I just felt like it was a lie.

461
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:39,100
You see each other again?

462
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:39,460
Yeah.

463
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:42,720
To this day, I don't understand it.

464
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,120
Mostly what I learned from
John Lear is what not to do.

465
00:31:47,985 --> 00:31:51,280
I would see people come
from all around the world.

466
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:51,940
I'm Jeremy.

467
00:31:51,941 --> 00:31:52,360
How are you?

468
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,560
Nice to meet you.

469
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,440
Jeremy.

470
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,240
Spice satellite programs.

471
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,380
And there was one that was a
nighttime Spice satellite program.

472
00:32:00,660 --> 00:32:01,380
Thanks for the whiskey.

473
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:01,980
It's damn good.

474
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,880
Okay, yeah.

475
00:32:02,980 --> 00:32:04,140
You guys mind to have a film?

476
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,380
I don't... I'm... I'm
an English person.

477
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,500
Are you okay?

478
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,440
People would come to
just get it off their chest.

479
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,380
Whether it was... They
were crazy or they were not.

480
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,520
It was true or not true.

481
00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:26,300
He was just this, like, person
that you could just talk to.

482
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,690
And then from there,
though, I started to...

483
00:32:29,340 --> 00:32:31,940
Because my mind was open,
I learned maybe from him,

484
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,360
don't judge somebody and push him away.

485
00:32:34,540 --> 00:32:36,096
Somebody was trying
to take pictures of him,

486
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,380
but the government didn't want anybody to
know, but you did it anyway or something.

487
00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:41,960
It allowed me to kind of
be a good listener, I think,

488
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,540
to people that have had profound
experiences that they believe.

489
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:47,120
Sometimes they're actual.

490
00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:49,140
Sometimes they're a little misguided.

491
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,640
But I think that's a core value
that I learned from all that.

492
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,160
It's an Alice in Wonderland planet.

493
00:32:58,410 --> 00:33:00,860
Very few people will ever find the truth.

494
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,000
But everybody is looking for the truth.

495
00:33:06,780 --> 00:33:09,440
And a lot of people think
that they found the truth.

496
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:12,980
But that's impossible.

497
00:33:30,730 --> 00:33:33,370
I was really frustrated.

498
00:33:33,870 --> 00:33:35,890
I was there to learn about UFOs.

499
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:37,070
I was there to get information.

500
00:33:37,071 --> 00:33:38,610
I thought it would happen so quick.

501
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:46,776
My wife was always really supportive.

502
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,400
She was like, when I just felt it, like,

503
00:33:48,665 --> 00:33:52,780
I gotta go and drive to Las Vegas alone.

504
00:33:52,781 --> 00:33:57,020
A lot of time, money,
everything, to do that.

505
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,880
You know, it's like, I was just
starting my real estate stuff.

506
00:34:00,060 --> 00:34:02,641
So it was like, I was putting
every penny I had to get

507
00:34:02,721 --> 00:34:06,160
in that car, buy the gas, get
down there, and, you know,

508
00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:09,900
first couple times, you know, staying at
a hotel or something cheap I could find.

509
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:17,800
What kept me going was also that
some of what he said was verifiably true.

510
00:34:18,420 --> 00:34:19,840
Stuff that was so out there.

511
00:34:19,841 --> 00:34:25,000
Nevada test site, right
dead center of the test site,

512
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,040
is what is known as Area 51.

513
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,980
Like, about the way our
government was hiding the UFO truth.

514
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:35,325
He would tell me stuff and
provide me a document that

515
00:34:35,425 --> 00:34:39,460
he got somewhere, and some
of that was absolute spot on.

516
00:34:40,590 --> 00:34:43,840
Every single person has been abducted.

517
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,540
And are being abducted.

518
00:34:46,541 --> 00:34:49,280
So UFO land is destabilizing.

519
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,360
And like, I went right into the
viper's pit with the destabilizing thing.

520
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:59,460
George Knapp was always this anchor.

521
00:35:00,060 --> 00:35:02,160
In the five years since
we broke that story,

522
00:35:02,890 --> 00:35:06,580
a lot of nonsense has surfaced
about what goes on out there.

523
00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:08,968
We've heard stories
about tunnels that stretch

524
00:35:08,980 --> 00:35:10,880
all the way to New
Mexico and New York,

525
00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:15,240
secret underground bases
run by aliens and the military.

526
00:35:15,241 --> 00:35:16,620
He was an island of sanity.

527
00:35:17,340 --> 00:35:18,340
Yeah.

528
00:35:18,590 --> 00:35:19,720
100% fucker.

529
00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:21,140
He was.

530
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,280
He still is.

531
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:27,100
Kinda.

532
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:32,760
I tried to get a hold of George Knapp
through email and calling the news station

533
00:35:32,761 --> 00:35:36,530
and just asking if he would
have lunch with me or talk to me

534
00:35:36,542 --> 00:35:40,260
so I could get some background
with him and talking to you.

535
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,008
And he hasn't responded
to me yet, but I won't stop.

536
00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:44,800
I'll keep trying to
get a hold of him.

537
00:35:44,801 --> 00:35:46,900
Yeah, he doesn't respond
to anybody that I know.

538
00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:49,636
Getting to George
Knapp is like trying to get

539
00:35:49,648 --> 00:35:52,100
to the fucking president
during an election.

540
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,860
I mean, it's like, it's the
hardest thing in the world.

541
00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:57,754
Contacting him and
contacting him because he

542
00:35:57,766 --> 00:36:00,260
was like an idol and
George just blew him off.

543
00:36:00,340 --> 00:36:02,500
They say it's the easiest
secret in the world to keep.

544
00:36:02,530 --> 00:36:05,060
It's leaked out many times
before and nobody believes it.

545
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,161
But I had a new thing to say
and it was, hey, you know, for

546
00:36:09,173 --> 00:36:12,780
like a year I've been filming
with John Lear in his home.

547
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,460
So I was an artist at the time, right?

548
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,160
So I was making art and I was
in my drive port, like my car port.

549
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,560
And I had this really toxic resin.

550
00:36:25,620 --> 00:36:27,780
And it was like the phone rang for Vegas.

551
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,000
And I didn't know who was calling.

552
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:37,400
I even got resin on the phone,
but I was like, hello, this is Jeremy.

553
00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:38,740
Sorry.

554
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,720
And some dude comes on and
he goes, hold for George Knapp.

555
00:36:43,721 --> 00:36:46,700
And I'm like, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, wait, what?

556
00:36:57,460 --> 00:37:05,260
And me, an unknown fucking
person, George Knapp, started talking.

557
00:37:06,980 --> 00:37:09,780
It's like shock and awe over Baghdad here.

558
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,036
You sit up here on the
roof or on the balcony below,

559
00:37:13,048 --> 00:37:15,920
you cannot believe the
firepower that is unleashed.

560
00:37:15,921 --> 00:37:19,200
Once they met, it was like they clicked.

561
00:37:19,580 --> 00:37:19,980
Cheers.

562
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,560
Thanks for having me over.

563
00:37:21,940 --> 00:37:22,940
This is great.

564
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:30,620
Things I went through the atomic
testing archives, the Department of Energy.

565
00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:34,940
And the reason I want to look for it is
see if we could see Area 51 on the map.

566
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,440
And sure enough, it's on there.

567
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,800
Now in the days when I was doing this
research, Area 51, they said it didn't exist.

568
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,040
We've never used that term.

569
00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:43,240
I don't know what you're talking about.

570
00:37:43,241 --> 00:37:44,996
I thought that was the official
position of the Air Force.

571
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:49,240
It's especially satisfying to go
catch them in an absolute lie.

572
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,980
So suddenly, there's a whole shelf of books
about a base that no one had ever heard of.

573
00:37:54,140 --> 00:37:57,259
Hundreds of news articles,
documentaries, TV dramas, a

574
00:37:57,271 --> 00:38:00,460
thousand product lines,
along with assorted businesses.

575
00:38:00,461 --> 00:38:02,620
The Bob Lazar music video.

576
00:38:04,780 --> 00:38:08,760
He helped me really just
clear the table and start over.

577
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,460
Boxes, volumes, the stuff that I've got
on Area 51 and John Lear and Bob Lazar.

578
00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:19,193
Did you ever think that
you would be so deep

579
00:38:19,205 --> 00:38:22,840
with information into
these fields and mysteries?

580
00:38:22,841 --> 00:38:25,241
Did you ever think this was
going to be a part of your life?

581
00:38:25,740 --> 00:38:29,280
No, this was not part
of my game plan at all.

582
00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:33,420
I think Bob is concerned about John's
credibility because it reflects on his own.

583
00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:37,211
And if John Lear, who is a
proponent of the Bob Lazar

584
00:38:37,223 --> 00:38:40,260
story, is whacked out
talking about crazy stuff,

585
00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:42,620
it reflects badly on Bob's story.

586
00:38:42,621 --> 00:38:46,450
So, yeah, I think he has a certain
concern for John, both because of

587
00:38:46,462 --> 00:38:50,360
their friendship and because of
what it means to his own credibility.

588
00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:52,972
I think I have obtained
enough testimony from

589
00:38:52,984 --> 00:38:55,400
a couple of dozen people
who worked out there.

590
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,215
I believe that those
craft were out there, that

591
00:38:58,227 --> 00:39:01,120
they looked like what we
would call flying saucers.

592
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,400
I believe that they came from somewhere
else because we weren't building them.

593
00:39:05,580 --> 00:39:08,480
We were taking them apart
to figure out how they work.

594
00:39:08,481 --> 00:39:12,480
Two dozen people who've worked out
there have told me that over the years.

595
00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:16,420
They said it was a very
compartmentalized, restricted program.

596
00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:20,360
Only the people with a very strict
need to know were read into the program.

597
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:23,771
I know there's a lot of
gamesmanship that's been played and

598
00:39:23,783 --> 00:39:26,520
mind games with the public
and lies that have been told.

599
00:39:26,865 --> 00:39:28,876
Take it or leave it.
I'm just telling you

600
00:39:28,888 --> 00:39:31,060
what the story was
as he explained it to us.

601
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:34,580
I think that's what that is.
If you want it, you can take a look at it.

602
00:39:34,581 --> 00:39:37,861
Sure. I mean, whatever you got on the
digitizer, I'm bringing it back to DigiCopy.

603
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:42,580
Many UFO sightings occur in broad daylight.
Many involve multiple witnesses.

604
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,080
The witnesses include pilots
and policemen, even a president.

605
00:39:46,420 --> 00:39:49,420
People who are trained to be
observant and whose judgment is trusted.

606
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,360
The sightings date back to
the dawn of recorded history.

607
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Can you give an overview of the kinds
of things that were in these reports?

608
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:59,000
They had photographs of
aliens or autopsy reports.

609
00:39:59,001 --> 00:40:00,160
What did it look like?

610
00:40:01,540 --> 00:40:05,560
The typical gray. I hate to say that
like anyone knows what a typical gray is.

611
00:40:05,660 --> 00:40:09,340
It's a creature probably
three and a half to four feet tall.

612
00:40:09,540 --> 00:40:12,780
I saw the carcass.
Well, I was obviously a dead alien.

613
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:17,000
The carcass cut up and all
dark inside like an iron base.

614
00:40:17,305 --> 00:40:18,940
It seemed to be one large organ.

615
00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:22,762
In the late 40s that this
project, because of its

616
00:40:22,774 --> 00:40:26,260
potential magnitude, was
given executive power.

617
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:29,480
Did you ever know a man named Bob Lazar?

618
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,840
Here's his picture.

619
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:37,120
What about it?

620
00:40:37,180 --> 00:40:40,280
If you want to know, then
sit down and talk about it.

621
00:40:40,505 --> 00:40:41,796
Okay, that's what you're doing right now.

622
00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:42,000
No.

623
00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:43,780
Well, the camera's not rolling.

624
00:40:43,980 --> 00:40:44,320
I understand.

625
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,460
But you see, we have
a limited amount of time.

626
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,940
If you want to understand
this, we need several hours.

627
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,940
If I ask you on camera if you know
Bob Lazar, can you just say no?

628
00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:58,320
I will sit silent.
Can you tell me who he is?

629
00:40:58,940 --> 00:41:00,340
Yeah, I can tell you who he is.

630
00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:03,540
He's a scientist out in Reno, Nevada.

631
00:41:03,541 --> 00:41:06,000
I worked at a place called Area 51.

632
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:09,660
That's Sector 4 within Area 51.

633
00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:15,420
And he says that you've been
there and that he knows you

634
00:41:15,421 --> 00:41:20,840
and that you helped him get
a job out at Area 51 Sector 4.

635
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:24,460
You met him at Los Alamos on June 28, 1982,

636
00:41:24,461 --> 00:41:28,240
at a seminar you were giving
at Los Alamos, a lecture on SDI.

637
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,200
And he says you know about
all the things I'm talking about

638
00:41:32,201 --> 00:41:35,340
and that you most likely
wouldn't talk to me about them

639
00:41:35,341 --> 00:41:41,260
because he says they exist, but
people in general don't want them.

640
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,940
Don't... the people... Look, I don't
know Bob Lazar. All this sounds right.

641
00:41:45,941 --> 00:41:52,960
I probably met him. I might have been...
I might have said to somebody,

642
00:41:53,140 --> 00:41:58,500
I met him and I liked him
after I met him and if I liked him.

643
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,560
But I don't remember.
And why should I say that on camera?

644
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,400
I mean, look, you are trying to
false that I see. We won't answer.

645
00:42:08,660 --> 00:42:11,820
I'm not asking you to say
what you believe to be a fact.

646
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:17,580
I'm asking you to say what you
read in a report that has distributed

647
00:42:17,581 --> 00:42:20,480
at what may be the most
top secret facility in the world.

648
00:42:20,481 --> 00:42:23,680
It's just... it's so...
it's so far out, it's...

649
00:42:23,681 --> 00:42:25,300
Alright, your objection has been noted.

650
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:26,600
Okay. What does it say?

651
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,020
That we're containers. That's how... that's
how supposedly the aliens look at us.

652
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:34,870
That we are nothing but containers.

653
00:42:35,140 --> 00:42:37,201
Containers of... Containers.

654
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,960
Maybe containers of souls. You can
come up with whatever theory you want,

655
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,800
but we're containers. And that's
how we're mentioned in the document.

656
00:42:46,375 --> 00:42:48,540
That religion was specifically created.

657
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:51,478
So we had some rules
and regulations for the

658
00:42:51,490 --> 00:42:53,680
sole purpose of not
damaging the container.

659
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,600
They shot at you? Somebody shot?
Maybe as a warning, perhaps?

660
00:42:57,390 --> 00:43:01,300
It was a good warning. I had my back tire
shot out on my car as I was on the freeway.

661
00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:04,220
You saw the guy.

662
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:05,220
Yeah.

663
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,100
Well, I didn't see the guy, per se.
I couldn't identify him.

664
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:09,720
You saw the car.

665
00:43:09,940 --> 00:43:10,100
Yeah.

666
00:43:10,101 --> 00:43:11,500
The only reason...

667
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,220
That you're doing it.

668
00:43:13,221 --> 00:43:15,440
...that getting this on tape is insurance.

669
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,120
You've fallen into the rabbit
hole, and there is no more.

670
00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:25,480
Do you want to grab your phone, or...?

671
00:43:25,481 --> 00:43:25,760
No.

672
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,040
It's a fact.

673
00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:32,100
Um... Do you think, uh... Do you think...
We've tried a couple times to call Bob.

674
00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:35,180
Do you think we could
try that again, or next time?

675
00:43:35,181 --> 00:43:36,968
We should really try to
get him on the phone so you

676
00:43:36,992 --> 00:43:39,620
can be like, Are you
coming to my birthday, Bob?

677
00:43:39,621 --> 00:43:43,080
So one day, John
said, Bob's in town.

678
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,080
My good friend, Bob Lazar, he's in town.

679
00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:46,220
He's gonna come visit me.

680
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,420
And I'm like, okay, cool.

681
00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:50,920
I'm there filming, because I've
been there all the fucking time.

682
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:58,950
Bob came in, and of course, I
get to meet Bob, which is great,

683
00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:01,350
because all I want to
fucking know is, is he a liar?

684
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:04,101
And if I knew that, I
could put the cameras

685
00:44:04,102 --> 00:44:06,430
away and fucking go
home, and I'm fucking done.

686
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:08,030
I am done with George Knapp.

687
00:44:08,090 --> 00:44:09,130
I'm done with John Lear.

688
00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:10,270
I'm done with UFOs.

689
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:11,070
It's fucking done.

690
00:44:11,071 --> 00:44:12,110
I don't fucking care.

691
00:44:12,330 --> 00:44:15,081
It was weird at the
time that I thought that

692
00:44:15,093 --> 00:44:17,730
was the most important
question to answer.

693
00:44:20,110 --> 00:44:24,004
And some of the things
John comes up with, I

694
00:44:24,016 --> 00:44:28,010
mean, are pretty far
off of normal, sensible,

695
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:32,530
you know, the normal,
sensible range of possibilities.

696
00:44:32,925 --> 00:44:34,010
Like the soul sucker.

697
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:36,710
Where in the world did that come from?

698
00:44:36,810 --> 00:44:37,810
You know, right?

699
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:40,949
The greys were controlling
the soul sucker on the

700
00:44:40,961 --> 00:44:43,150
moon, and when you
die, it sucks up your soul,

701
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:46,070
and it gets reprocessed
unless the greys steal it.

702
00:44:46,110 --> 00:44:47,650
I mean, come on, John.

703
00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:49,430
What the fuck?

704
00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:52,650
And there was a spirited
debate about Sleeper.

705
00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:53,330
It was hilarious.

706
00:44:53,505 --> 00:44:55,990
This book is a work of fiction.

707
00:44:56,410 --> 00:44:59,243
Names, characters,
places, organizations, cities,

708
00:44:59,255 --> 00:45:01,810
private and public,
government institutions,

709
00:45:02,070 --> 00:45:06,310
millionaires are used
in a fabricated manner.

710
00:45:06,990 --> 00:45:08,410
What else is he gonna say?

711
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:08,790
That's Lou!

712
00:45:08,791 --> 00:45:09,770
What else is he gonna say?

713
00:45:09,790 --> 00:45:09,890
What else is he gonna say?

714
00:45:09,891 --> 00:45:11,610
Why would he lie in his own book?

715
00:45:12,130 --> 00:45:14,230
Oh, by the way, all of us.

716
00:45:15,250 --> 00:45:17,350
Why would he, why would he disclaim that?

717
00:45:17,470 --> 00:45:21,730
I was like, hey, Bob, look, I don't know.

718
00:45:21,830 --> 00:45:23,073
I don't know if this is
capturing my camera

719
00:45:23,085 --> 00:45:25,050
or not, but I'm like, I don't know
if you're telling the truth anymore.

720
00:45:25,290 --> 00:45:27,610
There's some things he didn't
even get into putting there.

721
00:45:28,115 --> 00:45:29,210
Come on, John.

722
00:45:29,830 --> 00:45:32,742
Three fucking minutes
of you talking for

723
00:45:32,754 --> 00:45:35,970
yourself would make a
huge difference to me.

724
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:40,050
Do you mind if I had to ask
you a couple questions about...

725
00:45:40,051 --> 00:45:43,370
Alien spacecraft at Area
51 reverse engineering.

726
00:45:43,650 --> 00:45:44,270
Fucking simple.

727
00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:45,510
Just wanna know.

728
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,370
Yeah, I know there are alien
craft here from another planet.

729
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:53,750
Now, I saw other ones,
but I was inside one.

730
00:45:54,005 --> 00:45:55,610
I know it was not made on Earth.

731
00:45:55,670 --> 00:46:00,170
I know it was made with materials that
we cannot fabricate, we cannot duplicate,

732
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,110
and we've never been able to.

733
00:46:02,111 --> 00:46:05,329
I know it uses a power
source that's so advanced that

734
00:46:05,341 --> 00:46:08,450
we could only dream of
something along those lines.

735
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:10,910
And the energy density on it is phenomenal.

736
00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:14,450
I saw the truth that day,
but I didn't trust it yet.

737
00:46:15,550 --> 00:46:17,210
It took a lot more for me to trust it.

738
00:46:20,170 --> 00:46:20,610
Yeah.

739
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:22,770
Now, I was going bonkers on UFOs.

740
00:46:22,850 --> 00:46:24,410
I was, like, trying everything I could.

741
00:46:24,725 --> 00:46:31,530
What the fuck is going on with UFOs,
non-humans engaging humanity?

742
00:46:32,070 --> 00:46:40,070
I was capturing the world and
letting it tell me what is possible.

743
00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:44,880
Are you aware of a facility
or facilities on or near

744
00:46:44,892 --> 00:46:48,930
Nellis Range designated
S-4 past, present, or future?

745
00:46:54,940 --> 00:46:58,520
The best I can put together is
that there is another intelligence,

746
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,320
probably a lot of other intelligences,
that interact with us in a variety of ways.

747
00:47:03,321 --> 00:47:07,360
They can enter our reality
and mess with us and leave.

748
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:09,540
And there's not much we can do about it.

749
00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:11,300
Take care.

750
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,860
Oh, my goodness.

751
00:47:12,861 --> 00:47:14,460
Here is a close-up photo.

752
00:47:15,740 --> 00:47:17,220
This was on the bottom.

753
00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:18,620
Not on the disc.

754
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,360
A wedge-shaped craft.

755
00:47:22,361 --> 00:47:27,920
I give you a piece, and you
would guard this with your life.

756
00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:29,180
I'll guard it with my life.

757
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,860
And not destroy it.

758
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:31,240
No.

759
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,600
I do not.

760
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:33,400
Alright.

761
00:47:33,780 --> 00:47:35,620
Thank you for letting me in your lab today.

762
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:40,060
We have two samples
of the layered material.

763
00:47:40,860 --> 00:47:42,140
I'd like to count for layers.

764
00:47:45,690 --> 00:47:49,630
Are these artifacts from a
downed craft of any kind?

765
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:51,450
I would say no.

766
00:47:51,451 --> 00:47:54,710
Any way mysterious to you at this moment.

767
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:55,870
No.

768
00:48:00,750 --> 00:48:05,000
Somebody is going to some real
bother to represent, misrepresent,

769
00:48:05,012 --> 00:48:08,750
essentially what anybody
would consider industrial waste.

770
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:11,390
I'm going to Vegas.

771
00:48:11,590 --> 00:48:14,468
The old man is like, you
know, kind of not doing

772
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,430
so well and I got to wrap
some stuff up with him.

773
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:23,570
But it's coming to a point where
it's really making him immobile.

774
00:48:24,010 --> 00:48:24,650
I got it.

775
00:48:24,750 --> 00:48:25,750
I got it.

776
00:48:29,830 --> 00:48:32,230
What was John's decline like?

777
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,990
I mean, fuck, he was
a friend, first of all.

778
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:36,190
So it fucking sucked.

779
00:48:38,890 --> 00:48:40,310
See if we can nail it this time.

780
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:41,710
There you go.

781
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:42,990
Yeah.

782
00:48:43,730 --> 00:48:49,070
They won't give me what I, what is prescribed
because nobody has that, that much.

783
00:48:50,330 --> 00:48:50,970
Yeah.

784
00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:52,230
That's great.

785
00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:55,660
Thank you.

786
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:56,720
All right.

787
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,600
It was hard to see him suffer
and not have proper care.

788
00:49:23,855 --> 00:49:25,736
There was something
mystical about John, like

789
00:49:25,748 --> 00:49:27,640
the way he viewed the
world for all his flaws

790
00:49:27,641 --> 00:49:30,380
and all the pain and
all the suffering and all.

791
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:32,853
And again, at the
end of his life, I mean,

792
00:49:32,865 --> 00:49:35,740
he, I was probably the lowest
on his list of people that he liked.

793
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:36,000
Right.

794
00:49:36,190 --> 00:49:38,680
I just want to know what it
was that pissed you off so much.

795
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:39,440
I've never seen you pissed.

796
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,220
Six times you said something like,
and it was exactly on the last time.

797
00:49:46,270 --> 00:49:49,500
But I don't believe what
John Lear says anyway.

798
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:51,380
I don't believe most of
what he says anyway.

799
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:54,720
It's okay with me.

800
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,440
I just didn't know you didn't believe it.

801
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,203
Well, I think that's a
little bit inaccurate and

802
00:49:59,215 --> 00:50:01,480
I think we'll have to
look at it differently.

803
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,552
But I've said, you know, with
each like time we've done a

804
00:50:05,564 --> 00:50:09,380
radio interview that 90% of
what you say, I can't prove.

805
00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:10,996
Let's talk about something else.

806
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:12,720
I don't feel like being contentious today.

807
00:50:12,721 --> 00:50:13,721
Okay, okay.

808
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:15,460
Well, it's good to see you.

809
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,120
What does he want people to know today?

810
00:50:21,550 --> 00:50:23,380
There ain't gonna be no disclosure.

811
00:50:24,410 --> 00:50:27,020
Today, tomorrow, in the future, ever.

812
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,520
So the government is never gonna
tell people the truth about aliens?

813
00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:32,660
They don't know the truth.

814
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,240
And that's mainly why they'll never tell,
is they don't even know what's going on.

815
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,861
Even at the worst
times, I like to believe

816
00:50:39,873 --> 00:50:42,700
there was still love
between us as human beings.

817
00:50:42,701 --> 00:50:45,140
And I can't shake that, that there was.

818
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,080
Even when he really...

819
00:50:47,255 --> 00:50:48,436
I mean, I have voice messages.

820
00:50:48,460 --> 00:50:49,520
He just chews me out.

821
00:50:49,660 --> 00:50:50,660
Fucking hates me.

822
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:53,461
But I just always felt
like... Maybe I'm delusional.

823
00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:56,100
But I felt like there was
always this respect and love.

824
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:57,380
I... I...

825
00:50:57,580 --> 00:50:58,580
I love him.

826
00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:59,720
You know, I always will.

827
00:51:06,020 --> 00:51:08,906
There came a point
where Bob was sick and

828
00:51:08,918 --> 00:51:12,310
fucking tired of other
people talking about him.

829
00:51:19,850 --> 00:51:24,310
And ultimately, that's what made him
come in front of the camera with me.

830
00:51:24,450 --> 00:51:29,110
It all had to do with investigating
how this craft worked.

831
00:51:29,111 --> 00:51:31,950
I do not have the luxury of disbelief.

832
00:51:32,610 --> 00:51:37,910
Bob Lazar is telling you, as it
happened, how he experienced it.

833
00:51:38,770 --> 00:51:41,730
Take that for whatever
value you take that at.

834
00:51:42,110 --> 00:51:43,330
Coming from my mouth.

835
00:51:44,170 --> 00:51:45,890
But that is the fact.

836
00:51:46,270 --> 00:51:47,950
And wrap your head around that.

837
00:51:49,330 --> 00:51:51,070
I probably was the biggest skeptic.

838
00:51:52,090 --> 00:51:54,310
I thought a lot of it was just BS.

839
00:51:54,450 --> 00:51:56,150
I didn't believe Bob Lazar.

840
00:51:56,850 --> 00:51:58,370
So, are these the two guys?

841
00:51:58,510 --> 00:52:01,150
You wrote this down for me in Pioneertown.

842
00:52:01,470 --> 00:52:03,350
That these were the
guys... Hey, hey, why...

843
00:52:03,351 --> 00:52:06,930
Why do we even have this
sheet of paper in existence here?

844
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:08,166
You told me to write it
down, put it in my safe.

845
00:52:08,190 --> 00:52:08,470
And I did.

846
00:52:08,830 --> 00:52:11,491
Is it the fear... Were they,
like, messed with or something?

847
00:52:11,530 --> 00:52:11,690
Yeah.

848
00:52:12,070 --> 00:52:13,070
Oh.

849
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:15,630
Yeah, directly.

850
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:16,050
Okay.

851
00:52:16,051 --> 00:52:19,207
And were they messed with
because the idea was that if

852
00:52:19,219 --> 00:52:22,270
they stood up and made
you seem like a legit person?

853
00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:22,590
Yeah.

854
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:23,350
Really?

855
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:23,530
Yeah.

856
00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:26,146
That is one of the most fucked
part of the stories that I've heard.

857
00:52:26,170 --> 00:52:28,486
You will not leave
before I get a hold of one

858
00:52:28,498 --> 00:52:30,670
of the people associated
with the schools.

859
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:31,290
Really.

860
00:52:31,590 --> 00:52:32,070
Yeah.

861
00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:32,730
Hey, Jeremy.

862
00:52:33,090 --> 00:52:34,090
It's Bob Lazar.

863
00:52:34,770 --> 00:52:36,710
Listen, I have something to ask you.

864
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:39,450
Something to really
come up that's important.

865
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:41,430
What's the fuel for this reactor?

866
00:52:42,210 --> 00:52:43,890
The fuel is even more bizarre.

867
00:52:43,891 --> 00:52:46,150
It's an extremely heavy element.

868
00:52:47,610 --> 00:52:49,570
On the periodic chart, it would be 115.

869
00:52:50,290 --> 00:52:51,290
So here's the deal.

870
00:52:52,210 --> 00:52:55,570
Did you ever get a piece of
element 115 out of Les Alamos?

871
00:52:55,850 --> 00:52:56,850
Yeah, I did.

872
00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:58,530
Did you get just one or multiple?

873
00:52:59,010 --> 00:52:59,670
No, I had one.

874
00:52:59,910 --> 00:53:01,110
Do they know you've hidden it?

875
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:02,670
I don't know.

876
00:53:02,770 --> 00:53:03,770
I don't know.

877
00:53:04,270 --> 00:53:07,090
I don't know how good we
were at keeping that quiet.

878
00:53:07,390 --> 00:53:08,970
That didn't convince me.

879
00:53:09,150 --> 00:53:13,025
But what's come down
in the last, I don't know,

880
00:53:13,037 --> 00:53:16,510
six months or so,
it's like, yeah, there's

881
00:53:16,511 --> 00:53:20,270
something going on here
that's bigger than I thought.

882
00:53:20,271 --> 00:53:23,650
But it doesn't matter if you believe Bob.

883
00:53:24,890 --> 00:53:27,270
It's either true or it's not true.

884
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:28,050
The whole thing.

885
00:53:28,210 --> 00:53:28,770
The whole shebang.

886
00:53:29,110 --> 00:53:31,387
When I got tipped
off about the Nimitz

887
00:53:31,399 --> 00:53:34,230
encounters, I reached
out to a bunch of people.

888
00:53:34,231 --> 00:53:36,330
They all kind of pointed to you.

889
00:53:36,610 --> 00:53:38,813
Everybody referred
to you as this credible

890
00:53:38,825 --> 00:53:41,250
individual who's a
straight shooter and you're

891
00:53:41,251 --> 00:53:43,326
going to have no chance
at hell of talking with him.

892
00:53:43,350 --> 00:53:44,410
You got to talk pilot.

893
00:53:44,550 --> 00:53:50,590
When the incident happened, I had been
flying for about 16 years, about 3,600 hours.

894
00:53:51,150 --> 00:53:53,870
I went to Top Gun, so
I am one of those guys.

895
00:53:54,210 --> 00:53:57,670
There's four of us that actually visually
saw this thing for over five minutes.

896
00:53:58,710 --> 00:54:06,650
UFOs are real, non-human intelligence,
from somewhere else, not made by mankind.

897
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:10,230
Or it's a big fucking lie.

898
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:11,390
My name is David Fravor.

899
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:13,506
I'm a retired commander
in the United States Navy.

900
00:54:13,530 --> 00:54:15,758
In 2004, I was a
commanding officer of Strike

901
00:54:15,770 --> 00:54:18,210
Fighter Squadron 41, the
world-famous Black Aces.

902
00:54:18,430 --> 00:54:22,090
All four of us, because we were an F-18F,
so we had pilots and Wizzo in the backseat,

903
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:24,728
looked on a small, saw
a white tic-tac object

904
00:54:24,740 --> 00:54:26,990
with a longitudinal
axis pointing north-south

905
00:54:26,991 --> 00:54:30,590
and moving very abruptly over
the water, like a ping-pong ball.

906
00:54:30,730 --> 00:54:34,590
The controller told us that these objects
had been observed for over two weeks,

907
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:38,690
coming down from over 80,000
feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet,

908
00:54:38,850 --> 00:54:40,965
hanging out for hours, and
then going straight back up,

909
00:54:40,989 --> 00:54:43,710
for those who don't realize,
above 80,000 feet of space.

910
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:46,270
We hadn't really thought about it.

911
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:56,290
Like, you'd have to see something
that you trusted, on video or in person,

912
00:54:57,825 --> 00:55:00,090
to really wrap your head around it.

913
00:55:05,370 --> 00:55:08,970
And if you do, it might change
the way you see the world.

914
00:55:13,975 --> 00:55:18,050
And all of that leads us to today.

915
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:43,620
I'm being quite vulnerable.

916
00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:48,600
This whole time, I have not gone public.

917
00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:54,920
The only thing that I have done is
ensure if I die, this story comes out.

918
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,880
And here's the kicker, Jeremy, is I
don't trust the government so much

919
00:55:58,881 --> 00:56:00,976
that I don't even want to
go into witness protection.

920
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,700
I don't even want to fucking tell anybody.

921
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:05,600
One, because I don't know if I
can even legally tell anybody.

922
00:56:05,930 --> 00:56:09,000
And two, I don't trust them
to not fuck me up more.

923
00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:11,900
They've ruined my life.

924
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:13,440
They've ruined my friend's life.

925
00:56:13,820 --> 00:56:17,100
They're in process of
fucking with everybody else.

926
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,980
And we're just all fine with it.

927
00:56:20,455 --> 00:56:21,455
No big deal.

928
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,160
Like, I...

929
00:56:24,835 --> 00:56:26,320
This whole thing sucks, man.

930
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:27,720
It sucks.

931
00:56:27,985 --> 00:56:30,120
I want to know what is
happening with my life.

932
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:32,420
Like, I deserve to know that.

933
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:33,500
You do.

934
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,220
And I can't keep living like this.

935
00:56:36,340 --> 00:56:39,280
Like, I got married a month
before I went down there.

936
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:39,780
Right.

937
00:56:39,925 --> 00:56:42,090
My entire marriage has
been wrapped up with

938
00:56:42,091 --> 00:56:44,740
this and my wife left
her job over this shit

939
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:46,940
because I didn't want them going after her.

940
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:48,250
I'm tracking everything.

941
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:53,020
So at least be... Just be knowledgeable that
somebody is tracking everything for you.

942
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,080
I also will make a promise to you.

943
00:56:56,830 --> 00:57:04,020
that if I ever get pertinent information
to your personal case or well-being,

944
00:57:05,105 --> 00:57:09,520
I will immediately
transmit that to you 100%.

945
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,000
No questions asked.

946
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:12,200
As a friend.

947
00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:13,040
Okay.

948
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:14,120
I appreciate that.

949
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,060
I have one more favor to ask of you.

950
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,280
Anything.

951
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:21,100
If anything happens to
me, please make sure...

952
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:22,920
Hold on.

953
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,120
What the fuck?

954
00:57:26,145 --> 00:57:29,520
Please make sure my wife is taken care of.

955
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:31,360
Okay.

956
00:57:32,830 --> 00:57:33,840
This fucking sucks.

957
00:57:34,170 --> 00:57:35,170
This fucking sucks.

958
00:57:40,420 --> 00:57:41,750
This really sucks.

959
00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:44,770
The agreement is that you know everything.

960
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:46,190
Yeah.

961
00:57:46,510 --> 00:57:46,710
Okay.

962
00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:48,090
So you need to know this.

963
00:57:49,350 --> 00:57:49,790
Okay.

964
00:57:49,890 --> 00:57:50,890
So we'll talk tomorrow.

965
00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:52,710
Okay, baby.

966
00:57:53,010 --> 00:57:54,010
Okay. Love you, mama.

967
00:57:54,910 --> 00:57:55,510
I love you.

968
00:57:55,610 --> 00:57:58,250
I'll forget what you tell me anyway, but...

969
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:06,100
Everybody wants to catch
me in pain on camera.

970
00:58:07,365 --> 00:58:08,365
Don't want to go there.

971
00:58:14,820 --> 00:58:15,520
All right.

972
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:16,760
Let's just start.

973
00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:18,060
All right.

974
00:58:23,470 --> 00:58:25,000
Such a funny story, man.

975
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,780
Like, you know, I like... Sorry.

976
00:58:29,085 --> 00:58:30,540
It's a funny story.

977
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:34,320
Simple question.

978
00:58:41,540 --> 00:58:48,200
I've been holding a
secret for about 11 years.

979
00:58:48,730 --> 00:58:53,240
There is a reason why
I chose to believe you.

980
00:58:54,150 --> 00:59:00,300
If you lied about everything,
the problem is you were right.

981
00:59:00,710 --> 00:59:01,840
So that's weird.

982
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:03,800
UFOs are real.

983
00:59:04,420 --> 00:59:05,720
Did you see something?

984
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:06,840
Do you have something?

985
00:59:06,841 --> 00:59:07,120
Right.

986
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:10,120
Okay, so let me be very
careful with how I say it.

987
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:18,840
So, yes, obviously, military-filmed
footage of UFOs beyond any question.

988
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,400
It's not a video of an alien.

989
00:59:22,610 --> 00:59:24,280
It's not a video of one craft.

990
00:59:25,365 --> 00:59:26,365
It's more than that.

991
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:33,240
Hours upon hours of
military-filmed, unambiguous UAP.

992
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,320
Okay, so you had...

993
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:44,587
So the reason why I'm not telling you right
now that I have those videos, if I said

994
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:48,500
I have them, right, then I would be
immediately federally rated within seconds.

995
00:59:59,380 --> 01:00:03,243
There also exists seven years of recorded
conversations of consequence, thousands of hours of

996
01:00:03,255 --> 01:00:07,380
people, witnesses, first-hand intelligence officers,
threats I have received, coercion, entrapment.

997
01:00:07,381 --> 01:00:12,560
And I have been working with, in person,
Congress, Senate, Senate intelligence.

998
01:00:12,561 --> 01:00:15,680
Are you sure you're making
the right decision on this?

999
01:00:15,860 --> 01:00:16,860
Well, I mean...

1000
01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:21,604
I thought about this, too, that, you
know, maybe there's a good reason

1001
01:00:21,616 --> 01:00:25,700
they're keeping this secret and that
everyone's agreed to keep it secret.

1002
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,920
And, you know, what I've always, you know,
pushed for is just at least make it known that

1003
01:00:34,932 --> 01:00:38,840
there is some other intelligence and some
craft or whatever, something else going on.

1004
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,400
And they've kind of admitted that, and at
that point, that's where I wanted to stop.

1005
01:00:43,401 --> 01:00:47,280
They have admitted it, but they
are threatening the life of a journalist.

1006
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,340
And when I mean they, I don't
mean just the United States.

1007
01:00:51,020 --> 01:00:53,420
But you keep pushing further and further.

1008
01:00:53,421 --> 01:00:54,421
I do, Bob.

1009
01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:58,780
I don't...
I don't think that's a good idea.

1010
01:00:59,020 --> 01:01:00,020
For who?

1011
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,100
I don't think it's a good idea for
you, because of what's happening.

1012
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,060
Understood. This is no longer about me.

1013
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:11,800
I am protecting whistleblowers with
first-hand knowledge like yourself.

1014
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:19,360
I have to make a really hard decision
because I've tried every other way to do it.

1015
01:01:19,540 --> 01:01:21,380
And here's the question I have for you.

1016
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,268
As somebody with critical
and important information about

1017
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,480
UFOs, that they are real, and I
can prove a lot more than that,

1018
01:01:39,870 --> 01:01:43,517
should I expose corruption and crime relating
to the withholding of this truth from

1019
01:01:43,529 --> 01:01:47,320
the American public and about the nature of
UAPs if it doesn't harm national security?

1020
01:01:47,321 --> 01:01:48,321
Yes.

1021
01:01:48,780 --> 01:01:49,780
Say it again?

1022
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,040
Yes.

1023
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:51,320
Okay.

1024
01:01:51,660 --> 01:01:54,880
People will go to jail for this.

1025
01:01:55,060 --> 01:01:59,520
Meaning, people within agencies,
very powerful people, will go to jail.

1026
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,280
Should I do it?

1027
01:02:02,340 --> 01:02:02,880
Yes.

1028
01:02:02,881 --> 01:02:03,881
Yes.

1029
01:02:03,980 --> 01:02:08,940
And the reason I say yes is, like,
nothing is above the law, dude.

1030
01:02:37,930 --> 01:02:41,133
These threats, I think
if I'm being honest, it

1031
01:02:41,145 --> 01:02:44,430
means that everything
I'm doing is not in vain.

1032
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:53,920
There is a private corporation,
and that corporation

1033
01:02:53,932 --> 01:02:58,150
wants to protect its assets,
meaning visual, intellectual.

1034
01:03:02,610 --> 01:03:06,505
Oh, I have a delivery of atropine
coming to me tomorrow, and it

1035
01:03:06,517 --> 01:03:10,610
is a remedy to a nerve agent,
because this threat was so specific.

1036
01:03:19,570 --> 01:03:23,558
The fact I know is either a
testament to the excellent sources I

1037
01:03:23,570 --> 01:03:27,570
have, or people are overcautious,
or I'm getting fucking played.

1038
01:03:28,290 --> 01:03:33,470
It is so alarming to me, what has
happened to some of the whistleblowers.

1039
01:03:35,230 --> 01:03:40,470
It is not my story to tell,
but I am fucking following it.

1040
01:04:02,450 --> 01:04:07,420
Out of two people, there was one allegedly willing to testify
to their direct, first-hand involvement in reverse-engineering

1041
01:04:07,432 --> 01:04:11,650
a UFO for a private corporation within and under an
intelligence agency for the United States government.

1042
01:04:11,710 --> 01:04:15,810
Actively owned the legacy
program, and that person is dead.

1043
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:24,201
It is of high concern to us that
their autopsy and investigation

1044
01:04:24,213 --> 01:04:27,910
be done from a third-party
outside intelligence agency.

1045
01:04:34,730 --> 01:04:39,538
I mean, there's co-workers and friends of mine that worked
on that program for years. They were not hazed. They were not

1046
01:04:39,550 --> 01:04:44,250
tricked. They literally worked on the material and the
specimens and all that, and that was kind of common knowledge.

1047
01:04:47,310 --> 01:04:51,250
People mysteriously vanished from the
program, never to be seen again. Everybody's

1048
01:04:51,262 --> 01:04:55,310
supposed to have due process, regardless
of accusations of treason or what have you.

1049
01:04:55,710 --> 01:04:58,228
There's a couple of core
secrets the United States

1050
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,770
has, where they are willing
to commit those deeds.

1051
01:05:01,270 --> 01:05:03,157
That's not the America
I thought I grew up in.

1052
01:05:03,169 --> 01:05:05,110
That's not the America
I thought I was serving.

1053
01:05:05,770 --> 01:05:08,057
You know, even though I
was a little disillusioned when

1054
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:10,410
I was in Afghanistan and I
saw what we were doing there.

1055
01:05:10,590 --> 01:05:12,749
But, you know, I still
believed in, you know,

1056
01:05:12,761 --> 01:05:15,270
America doing the right
thing at the end of the day.

1057
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:25,910
I don't know what UFOs are. I don't
know what they represent to humanity.

1058
01:05:26,310 --> 01:05:28,990
Ask your priest. Ask a scientist.

1059
01:05:30,110 --> 01:05:35,010
I'm a tattooed, bearded, accidental
journalist that has a great mentor.

1060
01:05:36,055 --> 01:05:38,450
I'm not qualified to answer your question.

1061
01:05:56,305 --> 01:06:01,130
Abby, Abby. Stay. Stay.

1062
01:06:02,210 --> 01:06:03,870
Yeah. Hi, baby.

1063
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,270
I love you. I love you.

1064
01:06:07,725 --> 01:06:08,830
You want a beer? Yes.

1065
01:06:09,550 --> 01:06:11,785
They're not going to come
after you, not only you.

1066
01:06:11,797 --> 01:06:13,470
They're going to
come after your dad.

1067
01:06:22,370 --> 01:06:23,530
Oh, my God.

1068
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,070
Am I having a good day, Michael?

1069
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:29,570
It's a hard moment.

1070
01:06:29,770 --> 01:06:30,110
I know.

1071
01:06:30,350 --> 01:06:32,390
It's just really...
I'm trying to keep it together.

1072
01:06:32,570 --> 01:06:37,110
I'm scared to death. You know,
there have been threats on his life.

1073
01:06:38,420 --> 01:06:43,530
My lady's doing great. My pups are
doing great. Everybody's doing great.

1074
01:06:43,850 --> 01:06:44,850
I'm not.

1075
01:06:46,010 --> 01:06:47,150
So let's talk about it.

1076
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:48,270
I'm petrified.

1077
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:49,730
Don't be. Don't be.

1078
01:06:50,350 --> 01:06:52,910
I can't just turn it off
because I'm out of switch.

1079
01:07:00,290 --> 01:07:04,647
I mean, the CIA and the FBI, it seems
like there isn't a lot of communication

1080
01:07:04,659 --> 01:07:08,290
and the CIA is more interested
in protecting government secrets.

1081
01:07:14,590 --> 01:07:19,083
And the FBI is saying, yeah, well, we
can protect you from the CIA or whatever.

1082
01:07:19,095 --> 01:07:22,590
And also these independent
contractors that work for the CIA.

1083
01:07:32,110 --> 01:07:36,002
Things have been, different times in my
life, very clear and defined. And at this

1084
01:07:36,014 --> 01:07:40,110
point in my life, it feels like the fucking
Twilight Zone, except everything is real.

1085
01:07:42,450 --> 01:07:46,438
If you really have stuff that is that
sensitive that you cannot release, and you're

1086
01:07:46,450 --> 01:07:50,450
relying on your connection as a journalist,
they're going to throw you to the dogs.

1087
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,606
He's been told by a
bunch of officials in the

1088
01:07:58,618 --> 01:08:02,290
government that he needs
to get a conceal and carry.

1089
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:09,130
That he has ordered this
antidote for neurotoxins.

1090
01:08:09,310 --> 01:08:12,489
They told him, don't
go into any parking

1091
01:08:12,501 --> 01:08:16,250
garages, because that's
another favorite place.

1092
01:08:17,380 --> 01:08:21,250
Don't be alone.
Don't drive alone. Don't be alone.

1093
01:08:23,250 --> 01:08:30,300
Don't drive alone, baby. I love you.

1094
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:41,880
What? I don't know what to do.
I don't know.

1095
01:08:48,885 --> 01:08:50,070
Do not show this, man.

1096
01:09:06,690 --> 01:09:11,290
No, I don't want to take a few minutes.
I'm sick, I'm not feeling good.

1097
01:09:14,670 --> 01:09:16,030
And there's a lot about to happen.

1098
01:09:38,620 --> 01:09:41,960
Okay, so, your question was...

1099
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:51,780
I'm sad for people, man.

1100
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,500
People fucking cry to me, dude.

1101
01:09:55,660 --> 01:09:56,720
Take care of my wife.

1102
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:59,260
So, I could prove UFOs are real.

1103
01:10:02,540 --> 01:10:03,680
Probably go to jail for it.

1104
01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:05,530
But I could prove it.

1105
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:07,620
I am just trying to report in America.

1106
01:10:08,815 --> 01:10:12,420
I should not be threatened
by our intelligence agencies.

1107
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,060
I should not be threatened by corporations.

1108
01:10:15,061 --> 01:10:16,901
And I should not be
threatened by individuals.

1109
01:10:18,420 --> 01:10:21,840
Problem is that I have received
threats from all of the above.

1110
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:23,580
Direct threats, bro.

1111
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:29,293
So, if I got a problem...
Can you imagine people that,

1112
01:10:29,294 --> 01:10:31,601
like, sign shit that says,
your life will be done?

1113
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:32,160
You know?

1114
01:10:32,380 --> 01:10:34,020
It's like... I don't know, man.

1115
01:10:34,350 --> 01:10:35,910
I have never worked for the government.

1116
01:10:37,525 --> 01:10:39,300
And I have signed no NDAs.

1117
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:40,960
This UFO thing?

1118
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:43,440
It's wild fucking west for me.

1119
01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:47,440
I don't regret ever
opening my fucking mouth.

1120
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:53,840
Here's the deal, man.

1121
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:59,640
If I tell you my secret, you would know
why I knew Bob Lazar was telling the truth.

1122
01:11:01,300 --> 01:11:07,160
You would then know why I
decided it was important to verify that.

1123
01:11:07,380 --> 01:11:08,680
To bullet test it.

1124
01:11:08,940 --> 01:11:10,540
You would know what motivated me.

1125
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,020
You would know who motivated me.

1126
01:11:14,700 --> 01:11:15,980
Do you want me to just tell you?

1127
01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:17,206
Do you want to know the secret?

1128
01:11:17,230 --> 01:11:19,640
I didn't know if Bob Lazar
was telling the truth or not.

1129
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:26,308
And so, over the course of ten
years, I asked somebody over

1130
01:11:26,348 --> 01:11:29,900
and over and over again, not
about Lazar, just about the topic.

1131
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,356
And over and over and over, that person
told me nothing to see here and move on.

1132
01:11:33,380 --> 01:11:35,708
And this man is the
most respected, revered,

1133
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,220
and highest-ranking
military individual I know.

1134
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,120
Very carefully. Gingerly.

1135
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,806
What is your opinion on crap
that have no sound, that are

1136
01:11:44,818 --> 01:11:48,000
a mile wide, that are picked
up on radar and sit there?

1137
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:49,720
Are those ours? No, those are not ours.

1138
01:11:50,140 --> 01:11:51,140
Somebody who would know.

1139
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,640
Okay, so maybe it started like that.

1140
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,160
I don't know if I should
tell this story, Michael.

1141
01:11:56,500 --> 01:11:58,880
I don't think people should hear this, man.

1142
01:11:58,881 --> 01:12:03,980
You realize there's a thousand
people who could tell you what's up.

1143
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,520
You realize this is not on me.

1144
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:10,960
I'm going to tell you part of it.

1145
01:12:12,605 --> 01:12:13,965
There's somebody I really respect.

1146
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:17,710
Somebody in a position to know.

1147
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:21,600
Somebody that loves me.

1148
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:23,880
As a human being at that time.

1149
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:25,280
Loves me as a human being.

1150
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,060
And I said...

1151
01:12:28,300 --> 01:12:29,820
I need to know...

1152
01:12:31,090 --> 01:12:32,100
if this is true.

1153
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:34,240
I'm about to spend...

1154
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:36,160
all of my effort...

1155
01:12:37,780 --> 01:12:39,901
all of it... on this.

1156
01:12:39,940 --> 01:12:41,080
This one question.

1157
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:42,780
Is Lazar telling the truth or not?

1158
01:12:43,060 --> 01:12:45,480
Lazar's story is, by
any standards, fantastic.

1159
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,120
He says he's telling it in
order to protect himself.

1160
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:48,620
John!

1161
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,200
Bob, this is George. How you doing?

1162
01:12:50,580 --> 01:12:51,580
Oh my God!

1163
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,340
Happy birthday to you!

1164
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,560
I was going to embed myself into his life.

1165
01:12:58,880 --> 01:12:59,880
Have you been there?

1166
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,360
You know that place.

1167
01:13:03,420 --> 01:13:04,840
Am I wasting my time?

1168
01:13:05,060 --> 01:13:08,080
Because you've told me for years
not to waste my time on certain things.

1169
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,280
Dude goes into a wood shop.

1170
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:16,060
Spends like three fucking
hours angry at some wood.

1171
01:13:16,210 --> 01:13:17,210
comes out.

1172
01:13:18,660 --> 01:13:20,240
Why wouldn't he be telling the truth?

1173
01:13:22,140 --> 01:13:23,160
That's the start of it.

1174
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:24,736
Why wouldn't he be telling the truth?

1175
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:25,220
Oh, he?

1176
01:13:25,460 --> 01:13:26,980
Oh, you're talking about somebody now.

1177
01:13:28,260 --> 01:13:29,260
Okay.

1178
01:13:29,540 --> 01:13:30,540
Have you been there?

1179
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:31,980
I've flown out of there.

1180
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:33,880
Okay.

1181
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,880
Is there a place exactly like that?

1182
01:13:35,881 --> 01:13:36,881
You know what?

1183
01:13:37,220 --> 01:13:38,540
Why wouldn't it be?

1184
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,000
I went angry.

1185
01:13:41,420 --> 01:13:42,060
Conflicted.

1186
01:13:42,260 --> 01:13:42,560
Inside.

1187
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:43,920
Personally.

1188
01:13:44,260 --> 01:13:45,400
Should I hunt this?

1189
01:13:45,820 --> 01:13:47,240
With all of my might.

1190
01:13:50,620 --> 01:13:52,800
End of the day, let's just say,

1191
01:13:53,530 --> 01:13:55,400
I dedicated my life to it.

1192
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:58,000
And not blindly.

1193
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,520
And that is what started me.

1194
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,080
To try to find that truth.

1195
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:07,640
And I found it.

1196
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:11,800
Unambiguously, I found it.

1197
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:13,480
When I get up high on the food chain.

1198
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:16,680
of people that ran the legacy UFO program.

1199
01:14:18,220 --> 01:14:20,490
And I push them and I
push them and I push

1200
01:14:20,491 --> 01:14:22,321
them and they won't
break their fucking oath.

1201
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:23,900
And I push them to the point

1202
01:14:24,075 --> 01:14:25,740
where something's gonna break.

1203
01:14:26,345 --> 01:14:28,140
Every single fucking time.

1204
01:14:29,405 --> 01:14:30,760
They'll say something to me like,

1205
01:14:31,540 --> 01:14:33,360
Don't kick a sleeping dog.

1206
01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:38,620
I guess I gotta put my money
where my mouth is now.

1207
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:39,840
You know?

1208
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:40,880
Make a choice.

1209
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:43,880
I don't know what to do, man.

1210
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:46,960
Is it worth it?

1211
01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:50,500
To who?

1212
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:59,240
Jeremy is so honest and so
protective of everybody he talks to.

1213
01:14:59,380 --> 01:15:03,160
He doesn't talk to anybody
about what he has except George.

1214
01:15:46,020 --> 01:15:47,020
So, where are we?

1215
01:15:48,730 --> 01:15:49,730
Um...

1216
01:15:51,290 --> 01:15:53,730
I actually do get nervous
just thinking about it.

1217
01:15:54,150 --> 01:15:55,870
You've seen it all too.

1218
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:57,550
Um...

1219
01:15:58,530 --> 01:16:00,650
We've never seen that
kind of thing out in the world.

1220
01:16:01,340 --> 01:16:06,270
It's overwhelming the amount
of footage that we've obtained.

1221
01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:08,630
Somebody from the New York Times said,

1222
01:16:08,810 --> 01:16:10,610
You guys are in a pickle.

1223
01:16:10,810 --> 01:16:13,240
Because at this point it is
a national security issue.

1224
01:16:14,380 --> 01:16:16,250
There could be
repercussions for journalists.

1225
01:16:17,490 --> 01:16:21,230
Um... I think where we're
at is, I don't know what to do.

1226
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:24,670
I can't even count the number of
death threats I've had over 40 years.

1227
01:16:24,810 --> 01:16:27,571
I don't... I don't... I laugh at
them when I get them now.

1228
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:27,990
You know?

1229
01:16:28,460 --> 01:16:31,130
I figure, A, if they really
are gonna try to kill you,

1230
01:16:31,250 --> 01:16:32,970
they're not gonna call you up and warn you.

1231
01:16:33,050 --> 01:16:33,210
Right.

1232
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:38,450
I think anybody that has had that
intense depth of experience I was having

1233
01:16:38,850 --> 01:16:42,090
would have felt and maybe
acted the way that I did,

1234
01:16:42,450 --> 01:16:44,750
which is very self-protection
mode, my wife and me.

1235
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:44,970
Yeah.

1236
01:16:44,971 --> 01:16:46,326
I mean, look, she was
getting death threats.

1237
01:16:46,350 --> 01:16:46,470
Yeah.

1238
01:16:46,810 --> 01:16:47,050
You know?

1239
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:49,410
Your wife and your mom and all that stuff.

1240
01:16:49,550 --> 01:16:49,610
Yeah.

1241
01:16:49,690 --> 01:16:51,771
That's... That's really...
That's over the edge.

1242
01:16:52,170 --> 01:16:53,230
Fuck them with that stuff.

1243
01:16:53,390 --> 01:16:53,750
Exactly.

1244
01:16:53,970 --> 01:16:54,090
Yeah.

1245
01:16:54,270 --> 01:16:55,970
The first 10 years that I was doing this,

1246
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:58,406
I'm going through the same
stuff that you're going through now.

1247
01:16:58,430 --> 01:16:59,430
Bouncing off the walls.

1248
01:16:59,550 --> 01:17:00,070
Up and down.

1249
01:17:00,190 --> 01:17:00,790
Peaks and valleys.

1250
01:17:00,970 --> 01:17:01,970
Scared shitless.

1251
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:03,850
Worried about what comes next.

1252
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:06,430
And then I just decided to let it go.

1253
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:07,716
I mean, are they gonna kill me?

1254
01:17:07,740 --> 01:17:09,310
I'm now at an age where I said,

1255
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:11,030
well, if you're gonna kill me, fuck you.

1256
01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:11,810
What's the difference?

1257
01:17:12,010 --> 01:17:13,130
I've lived a long time.

1258
01:17:13,295 --> 01:17:15,990
I remember the first time I realized
they were tapping my phones.

1259
01:17:16,170 --> 01:17:17,550
I was astonished.

1260
01:17:19,190 --> 01:17:20,190
You know, stunned.

1261
01:17:20,830 --> 01:17:23,570
How the hell could this
happen in a newsroom,

1262
01:17:23,810 --> 01:17:26,870
in a TV station in Las Vegas,

1263
01:17:27,010 --> 01:17:28,550
that somebody's listening to my phone

1264
01:17:29,190 --> 01:17:32,871
and then visits people and intimidates
them and tells them to shut the hell up?

1265
01:17:33,540 --> 01:17:34,650
How could that happen in America?

1266
01:17:34,651 --> 01:17:40,090
There's no damn way they
had a warrant for those taps.

1267
01:17:40,750 --> 01:17:41,750
They just did it.

1268
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,530
To see who else was coming
in to give us information.

1269
01:17:45,090 --> 01:17:48,050
And like I said, people
outside of our world on this topic

1270
01:17:48,175 --> 01:17:49,375
would not believe that's real.

1271
01:17:49,570 --> 01:17:50,570
But it is real.

1272
01:17:50,670 --> 01:17:51,796
You can't let them get to you.

1273
01:17:51,820 --> 01:17:53,250
You cannot let them get to you.

1274
01:17:53,290 --> 01:17:54,490
Because they'll wear you down.

1275
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,319
And it's just, you know,
my gesture that I've shared

1276
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,351
with you before, when
things are going really bad,

1277
01:17:59,650 --> 01:18:02,290
and there's been periods
of real bad ups and downs.

1278
01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:05,140
Is that the best you got?

1279
01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:05,430
Yeah.

1280
01:18:05,650 --> 01:18:07,050
Bring it. What do you got?

1281
01:18:07,250 --> 01:18:07,450
Yeah.

1282
01:18:07,730 --> 01:18:09,495
It's the biggest question
in human history,

1283
01:18:09,555 --> 01:18:11,750
other than maybe what
happens after we die?

1284
01:18:11,950 --> 01:18:13,630
You know, is there something that goes on?

1285
01:18:14,050 --> 01:18:14,770
It's the biggest.

1286
01:18:14,890 --> 01:18:15,770
Are we alone in the universe?

1287
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:17,510
Is there another intelligence out there?

1288
01:18:17,550 --> 01:18:18,710
If so, has it visited?

1289
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,250
You know, that's big stuff.

1290
01:18:20,575 --> 01:18:21,990
That's world-changing stuff.

1291
01:18:22,410 --> 01:18:27,990
If we just put out everything that
we trusted has ever come to us,

1292
01:18:28,365 --> 01:18:32,590
it would represent one of the
largest leaks in American history.

1293
01:18:32,770 --> 01:18:36,630
The journalist's ethical imperative
is get the story, get it right,

1294
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,350
and tell it no matter who
it helps or who it hurts.

1295
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:41,390
And I've always tried to live up to that.

1296
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:45,150
And you and I have had these conversations
before about how far we should go.

1297
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:50,090
The reality of it is, while we
can try to live up to the journalist's

1298
01:18:50,091 --> 01:18:53,570
ethical imperative, the third
part, tell it no matter who it helps

1299
01:18:53,571 --> 01:18:56,610
or who it hurts, is not
realistic with this topic.

1300
01:18:56,835 --> 01:18:59,350
Because, you know, as we've talked before,

1301
01:19:01,110 --> 01:19:02,870
and I've shared with
you from the beginning,

1302
01:19:02,910 --> 01:19:06,650
is you've got to sometimes protect
sources even from themselves.

1303
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:09,390
We were going to bring
our best evidence ever.

1304
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:10,510
That's what they asked for.

1305
01:19:10,650 --> 01:19:12,670
They wanted to bring us into
a skiff so we could show them

1306
01:19:12,671 --> 01:19:15,370
what we would play under
protection at Congress,

1307
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:17,890
the best visual evidence we have of UAP.

1308
01:19:18,670 --> 01:19:20,366
And I thought, great,
we're under protection.

1309
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:21,730
This is to the American public.

1310
01:19:21,870 --> 01:19:23,030
This is the way it should be.

1311
01:19:23,070 --> 01:19:24,170
There we go. Let's do it.

1312
01:19:26,290 --> 01:19:29,130
Our lawyer suggested
we don't go in that skiff,

1313
01:19:29,540 --> 01:19:33,750
because the second we do, we can
no longer be journalists and report on it.

1314
01:19:33,890 --> 01:19:36,537
It could instantaneously
be classified or

1315
01:19:36,538 --> 01:19:39,530
something like that so
that we can't report on it.

1316
01:19:39,630 --> 01:19:42,570
The public's always telling us, I
don't want to see grainy images

1317
01:19:42,571 --> 01:19:45,230
from some thermal sensor.
I want to see the good stuff.

1318
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,930
It exists. It's out there.

1319
01:19:48,710 --> 01:19:52,570
I don't think they're ever going to
willingly release that stuff to the public.

1320
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,360
So if it's going to come out, it's going to
have to come out through people like us.

1321
01:19:56,450 --> 01:19:58,984
There's a gigantic segment
of the population that

1322
01:19:59,044 --> 01:20:01,030
still is not tuned into
it, not paying attention.

1323
01:20:01,031 --> 01:20:04,290
They might see a news
piece here or there on

1324
01:20:04,291 --> 01:20:07,590
a program, but
they're living their lives.

1325
01:20:07,770 --> 01:20:09,730
They're raising their
families, paying the bills.

1326
01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:12,910
They're worried about what's happening
to our country and what comes next.

1327
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:15,390
Does it help to drop
everything all at once?

1328
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:17,350
You know, but I think that's dangerous

1329
01:20:17,351 --> 01:20:20,310
because there's the unknowns
of how we could be damaging.

1330
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:22,850
national security or something like that.

1331
01:20:23,150 --> 01:20:27,750
What's something we can put out
that will be safe for national security?

1332
01:20:30,130 --> 01:20:31,930
Well, there's one particular image.

1333
01:20:32,485 --> 01:20:33,850
I know this is not a mistake.

1334
01:20:33,851 --> 01:20:35,030
I know it's the right thing.

1335
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:39,030
I'm just a little bit, you know,
terrified to begin that process.

1336
01:20:39,290 --> 01:20:39,370
Yeah.

1337
01:20:40,110 --> 01:20:41,110
Welcome to life.

1338
01:20:41,690 --> 01:20:42,690
We're alive.

1339
01:20:42,990 --> 01:20:43,770
It's exciting.

1340
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:44,050
Yeah.

1341
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:44,970
That's fun.

1342
01:20:45,230 --> 01:20:45,930
Yeah, it is.

1343
01:20:45,970 --> 01:20:46,330
It is.

1344
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:46,750
It is.

1345
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:47,130
Okay.

1346
01:20:47,545 --> 01:20:48,270
Fear and fun.

1347
01:20:48,430 --> 01:20:48,570
Yeah.

1348
01:20:48,710 --> 01:20:50,490
I guess it's time.

1349
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:52,770
We'll do our best, slow and steady,

1350
01:20:52,985 --> 01:20:56,110
and put out what we feel
is appropriate and good.

1351
01:20:56,111 --> 01:20:56,390
Yeah.

1352
01:20:56,610 --> 01:20:57,610
Yeah.

1353
01:20:58,610 --> 01:20:59,610
Whew.

1354
01:21:00,130 --> 01:21:02,090
So, we actually just
made a decision right there.

1355
01:21:02,170 --> 01:21:03,170
Like, we're gonna do it.

1356
01:21:03,310 --> 01:21:04,910
So, Steph, we have to be careful.

1357
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:05,530
Oh, fuck.

1358
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:06,270
Fuck.

1359
01:21:06,610 --> 01:21:10,990
The first one will be interesting
because, you know, if this was an...

1360
01:21:10,991 --> 01:21:13,970
Even though the information and
the data and the visuals are real,

1361
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:19,470
like, it could just have been a setup to be
able to stop our reporting moving forward.

1362
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:21,950
We'll know because we'll
get pressure and it will not be...

1363
01:21:22,065 --> 01:21:23,390
It probably will not be public.

1364
01:21:24,370 --> 01:21:29,310
You know, boy, when you start releasing
this, even if you get away initially,

1365
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:32,090
somebody's not gonna like it.

1366
01:21:32,290 --> 01:21:35,468
And they're concerned
they're just not gonna sit back

1367
01:21:35,480 --> 01:21:40,390
and let you guys slowly keep releasing
information if they don't want it out there.

1368
01:21:48,820 --> 01:21:50,900
It's a dangerous game you're playing.

1369
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:51,240
Yeah.

1370
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:52,400
I don't have a choice.

1371
01:21:56,170 --> 01:22:00,360
I am doing this because George
Knapp told me the first rule of journalism.

1372
01:22:02,410 --> 01:22:05,890
You protect sources
or witnesses with your

1373
01:22:05,902 --> 01:22:09,560
life, even if they don't
protect themselves.

1374
01:22:09,561 --> 01:22:11,320
And I took that to heart.

1375
01:22:11,930 --> 01:22:14,080
So now, I do not have a choice.

1376
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:18,940
You're right on the edge, Jeremy.

1377
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:20,200
I love you.

1378
01:22:20,230 --> 01:22:21,950
I don't want to see anything happen to you.

1379
01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:53,790
What's the purpose, Dave?
Why are we doing this?

1380
01:23:54,890 --> 01:23:56,850
Well, I mean, I've already
crossed the Rubicon.

1381
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,650
You know, I'm not gonna
stop until the mission's

1382
01:24:00,662 --> 01:24:03,370
done or I'm non-mission
capable, as we say.

1383
01:24:03,630 --> 01:24:06,390
But these people want to
push back at me like that?

1384
01:24:06,530 --> 01:24:07,850
Well, great. I'm not intimidated.

1385
01:24:08,335 --> 01:24:10,270
They know what they
have to do to shut me up.

1386
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:11,230
So, bring it.

1387
01:24:11,455 --> 01:24:12,470
I think I'm like you.

1388
01:24:12,710 --> 01:24:16,030
And, you know, it's like, fucking
bring it or get the fuck out the way.

1389
01:24:16,270 --> 01:24:20,046
There's a whole part of reality
that the federal government,

1390
01:24:20,058 --> 01:24:23,530
its private partners and
other nations around the world

1391
01:24:23,531 --> 01:24:28,530
and participation thereof
for the last several decades.

1392
01:24:29,410 --> 01:24:33,438
And I'm of the generation
that has seen our parents

1393
01:24:33,450 --> 01:24:37,410
and older siblings and
friends go to war for what?

1394
01:24:37,810 --> 01:24:40,617
And I think it's time
for a new era to begin,

1395
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:43,510
especially because, you
know, we're not alone.

1396
01:24:43,770 --> 01:24:47,830
And this universe is teeming
with life and that life is already here.

1397
01:24:48,030 --> 01:24:50,810
And, you know, we could
openly interact with it.

1398
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:01,220
Here's a little bit of a closer look.
This is a freeze frame.

1399
01:26:01,380 --> 01:26:04,701
This is with some boosted
contrast of what appears

1400
01:26:04,713 --> 01:26:07,980
to be a disc-shaped object
captured back in 2020,

1401
01:26:08,450 --> 01:26:12,540
possibly somewhere over
Afghanistan, Pakistan, the border there.

1402
01:26:12,660 --> 01:26:15,935
This was filmed by some
sort of asset, DoD asset and

1403
01:26:15,947 --> 01:26:19,360
forward-looking infrared
shot from above looking down.

1404
01:26:19,540 --> 01:26:23,500
Jeremy Corbell, he joins us on set.
Jeremy, good to see you. Welcome back.

1405
01:26:23,660 --> 01:26:24,040
Good to see you, man.

1406
01:26:24,420 --> 01:26:26,940
Alright, so getting into this,
navigating through the clouds.

1407
01:26:26,941 --> 01:26:29,824
Like, I hate to even bring
this up, but that sounds

1408
01:26:29,836 --> 01:26:32,560
a lot like Jordan Peele
wrote it in NOPE, right?

1409
01:26:32,620 --> 01:26:34,220
That's what we saw a little bit in NOPE.

1410
01:26:34,900 --> 01:26:36,396
What's going on here?
What are we looking at?

1411
01:26:36,420 --> 01:26:38,977
Yeah, so for a couple years
of investigating this footage,

1412
01:26:38,989 --> 01:26:41,380
right, making sure it's
authentic, where it came from,

1413
01:26:41,381 --> 01:26:43,860
what we're seeing here
that's different than ever before.

1414
01:26:43,861 --> 01:26:48,360
You know that I've obtained and released
with George Knapp thermal videos of UAP.

1415
01:26:48,361 --> 01:26:51,166
Now, our government has
admitted some of what we've put out.

1416
01:26:51,178 --> 01:26:52,460
They've admitted their UAP.

1417
01:26:52,875 --> 01:26:56,540
I'll tell you this. I'm not saying it.
That was in the original footage.

1418
01:26:56,870 --> 01:27:00,460
It says UAP navigating through clouds.

1419
01:27:00,730 --> 01:27:03,300
They called it a disk.
I'm not even calling it a disk.

1420
01:27:03,460 --> 01:27:05,280
But what you're seeing is first shape.

1421
01:27:05,630 --> 01:27:08,802
I have never seen in
all UFO history, when it

1422
01:27:08,814 --> 01:27:12,140
comes out of military,
an actual circular form.

1423
01:27:12,340 --> 01:27:13,620
That was amazing to me.

1424
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:14,900
The second is the movement.

1425
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,426
When you see it make
an abrupt turn from your

1426
01:27:17,438 --> 01:27:19,500
left to your right when
you're watching it.

1427
01:27:19,685 --> 01:27:22,420
And the third thing that
really was astonishing to me.

1428
01:27:22,530 --> 01:27:26,360
This isn't thermal. There is no heat
signature of traditional propulsion.

1429
01:27:26,580 --> 01:27:29,100
Is there a chance that this is
just a, I don't know, a balloon?

1430
01:27:29,145 --> 01:27:32,180
Our military doesn't think so.
Our military called it a disk.

1431
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:35,400
Our intelligence community
has been at this since 2020.

1432
01:27:36,050 --> 01:27:41,140
Now, look, when assets like this get out to
journalists like me and George, you know,

1433
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:46,680
we're not experts at this, but we know and
can report that our military calls us UAP,

1434
01:27:46,820 --> 01:27:48,416
like every piece of footage we've put out.

1435
01:27:48,440 --> 01:27:51,740
You have become the conduit
for so many of these videos here.

1436
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,640
This is the tip of the iceberg,
what you're seeing here.

1437
01:27:54,860 --> 01:27:58,460
George Knapp and I are committed
to reporting on our best evidence.

1438
01:27:58,830 --> 01:28:00,440
No, that means that you got more.

1439
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,680
That means that there's other stuff.
I know you well enough to...

1440
01:28:04,681 --> 01:28:10,180
I hope that the world gets to
see more, better, diverse footage.

1441
01:28:10,181 --> 01:28:15,200
I am not in absolute control of how the
world receives things, but as a journalist,

1442
01:28:15,425 --> 01:28:18,920
I am going to fight to get as
much out as humanly possible.

1443
01:28:19,180 --> 01:28:22,760
Got it. And real quick, what's
the update on Capitol Hill?

1444
01:28:22,925 --> 01:28:26,540
There will be more hearings. If they
have courage, there will be more hearings.

1445
01:28:26,940 --> 01:28:30,780
And I have three first-hand
witnesses that they can put up to testify.

1446
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,556
We're looking forward to witnesses.
We're looking forward to more evidence.

1447
01:28:33,580 --> 01:28:35,160
Jeremy Corbell, so good to see you.

1448
01:28:35,180 --> 01:28:36,580
Fascinating topic, isn't it? Yeah.

1449
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:38,000
Always a fascinating topic.

1450
01:28:38,485 --> 01:28:44,960
I've come to realize that everything
I did, every single thing I did,

1451
01:28:45,445 --> 01:28:50,520
prepared me for exactly
where we are right now, today.

1452
01:28:50,521 --> 01:28:55,460
I would like to see him
have a more normal life.

1453
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:03,080
Is there a part of you that wishes Jeremy
had chosen a safer path, outside of UFOs?

1454
01:29:07,950 --> 01:29:08,950
No.

1455
01:29:11,250 --> 01:29:19,250
I wouldn't, because for various reasons
about who he is, he needs to do this.

1456
01:29:20,890 --> 01:29:22,630
The conversation will be different one day.

1457
01:29:23,610 --> 01:29:25,810
I just don't know how long that takes.

1458
01:29:26,410 --> 01:29:29,803
This nightmare coming
back, I am genuinely

1459
01:29:29,815 --> 01:29:33,950
starting to get concerned
that it is coming for me.

1460
01:29:34,290 --> 01:29:37,770
Please make sure my wife is taken care of.

1461
01:29:37,771 --> 01:29:40,492
My name is Dylan Portland,
a former 1N1 Geospatial

1462
01:29:40,504 --> 01:29:43,510
Intelligence Specialist for
the United States Air Force

1463
01:29:43,511 --> 01:29:47,030
and an active duty enlisted
capacity from 2010 to 2013.

1464
01:29:48,230 --> 01:29:52,135
I came forward out of concern for people's lives
and to ensure I did everything I could to let

1465
01:29:52,147 --> 01:29:56,230
our elected representatives know the truth about
what is really happening in the executive branch.

1466
01:29:56,610 --> 01:30:00,005
Each day, victims of crimes committed
by agencies and companies maintaining

1467
01:30:00,017 --> 01:30:03,470
this secrecy are denied justice is
another day our constitution is shredded.

1468
01:30:04,490 --> 01:30:08,316
In 2023, Patriots provided this
committee and the executive branch with

1469
01:30:08,328 --> 01:30:12,490
undeniable proof of the UAP reality, and
I commend your continued commitment.

1470
01:30:40,660 --> 01:30:48,450
It was proposed and we accepted that we
would study all aspects of the phenomena.

1471
01:30:48,770 --> 01:30:51,030
And by the phenomena, I mean UFOs.

1472
01:30:51,210 --> 01:30:54,490
EIA and Congress monitored
the funds at all times.

1473
01:30:54,610 --> 01:30:57,310
Was that part of OSAP, where
you go knocking on doors to see,

1474
01:30:57,390 --> 01:30:59,550
hey, have you guys got crash
flying saucers somewhere?

1475
01:31:00,590 --> 01:31:01,070
Yes.

1476
01:31:01,071 --> 01:31:04,110
If it's not Russian, it's
not ours, it's not Chinese.

1477
01:31:04,370 --> 01:31:05,790
It's, it's somebody else.

1478
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:10,050
Now, you know, at that
point, even OSAP stopped.

1479
01:31:10,410 --> 01:31:13,370
You look into UFOs, you
encounter the paranormal.

1480
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,510
You can, you can decide to ignore it.

1481
01:31:16,630 --> 01:31:18,070
It's not going to ignore you.

1482
01:31:18,270 --> 01:31:22,510
We simply confirmed what
people have reported over the years.

1483
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:25,310
And it's occurring and it's accepted.

1484
01:31:25,311 --> 01:31:30,890
I have been approached by
CIA to be paid money to shut up.

1485
01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:34,850
I've been approached by FBI
for money to give up sources,

1486
01:31:34,851 --> 01:31:37,430
all of which I have declined
and is well documented

1487
01:31:37,431 --> 01:31:39,990
and is with my lawyer,
who is Chuck McCullough.

1488
01:31:40,110 --> 01:31:42,110
We also welcome the
Honorable Charles McCullough,

1489
01:31:42,250 --> 01:31:44,210
Inspector General of the
Intelligence Community

1490
01:31:44,211 --> 01:31:47,610
at the Office of the Director
of National Intelligence.

1491
01:31:48,090 --> 01:31:52,170
Look, Jeremy, you are a journalist,
but this is a very serious situation.

1492
01:31:53,050 --> 01:31:57,790
You're not in a skiff. You're not, you're
not protected on some base somewhere.

1493
01:31:58,150 --> 01:31:59,370
You need to be very careful.

1494
01:31:59,610 --> 01:32:01,610
I'm being careful as I can.

1495
01:32:02,390 --> 01:32:08,070
It's every single piece of armament that I
could put together over the last 11 years

1496
01:32:08,071 --> 01:32:13,850
that I'm ready to present in a
very controlled and slow way.

1497
01:32:13,851 --> 01:32:16,656
I would imagine over
the next couple years,

1498
01:32:16,668 --> 01:32:19,550
if I can start with one
piece of information

1499
01:32:19,551 --> 01:32:21,782
and give people
education and slowly bring

1500
01:32:21,794 --> 01:32:24,410
people forward without
being fucked with, harmed.

1501
01:32:24,630 --> 01:32:26,270
But I do need to be protected.

1502
01:32:26,630 --> 01:32:28,710
My lawyer, Chuck McCullough said for me,

1503
01:32:29,130 --> 01:32:34,810
my biggest fear for you right now is
being taken into custody for 24 hours

1504
01:32:35,470 --> 01:32:38,750
and to not be ever the same after.

1505
01:32:38,990 --> 01:32:41,050
And it would have to
be under false charges.

1506
01:32:41,530 --> 01:32:45,470
So now, I want to be very
fucking clear with you, Bob.

1507
01:32:45,670 --> 01:32:49,430
I have committed zero crimes that
Commander David Fravor now knows.

1508
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:53,390
And he told me, you need to do it.

1509
01:32:54,710 --> 01:32:57,650
I want you to keep using the
processes we talked about.

1510
01:32:57,850 --> 01:32:59,550
Your methodologies are exceptional.

1511
01:32:59,930 --> 01:33:01,730
I want you to keep doing what you're doing.

1512
01:33:01,950 --> 01:33:04,670
You need to keep vetting these
people that are coming to you, right?

1513
01:33:05,540 --> 01:33:07,710
Yeah, thank you. I will. Same process.

1514
01:33:08,050 --> 01:33:12,170
You need to be extraordinarily careful.
Keep the vetting going.

1515
01:33:32,910 --> 01:33:34,610
That looks like what it's made out of.

1516
01:33:35,170 --> 01:33:38,250
There's going to be an enormous amount
of interest in what you're doing here.

1517
01:33:38,650 --> 01:33:39,670
Yeah, there is, yeah.

1518
01:33:39,730 --> 01:33:41,671
So you and I need to
get together and have

1519
01:33:41,683 --> 01:33:43,730
a substantive conversation
about this, okay?

1520
01:33:43,930 --> 01:33:45,090
I need to do that now.

1521
01:33:54,170 --> 01:33:58,216
It's really sad that the powers that
be, for some reason, have decided

1522
01:33:58,228 --> 01:34:02,170
that you are not allowed to know
the nature of an aspect of reality.

1523
01:34:02,370 --> 01:34:05,010
And that has happened. That has happened.

1524
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,850
And that's unfortunate.

1525
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,175
The excuse on their
end, you know, people that

1526
01:34:11,187 --> 01:34:13,530
are getting high up
on the food chain here,

1527
01:34:16,030 --> 01:34:20,081
their excuse about the cover-up
about this, or what they tell me

1528
01:34:20,093 --> 01:34:24,030
and George, you know, is that
they don't want to uncover this.

1529
01:34:24,710 --> 01:34:28,910
And that is frustrating, because
it's like they're scared of something.

1530
01:34:29,185 --> 01:34:32,241
I'll tell you this, is that all the
encounters that I hear about that I

1531
01:34:32,253 --> 01:34:35,450
believe, like the ones, you know,
from military people who are not public,

1532
01:34:35,730 --> 01:34:39,792
things that have been documented
by our government, these visitors

1533
01:34:39,804 --> 01:34:43,570
can essentially get you to see
anything they want you to see.

1534
01:34:43,890 --> 01:34:45,270
So that's a problem.

1535
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,753
If you look at stories, and
then you look at documentation,

1536
01:34:48,765 --> 01:34:51,350
and you look at just what
people have reported,

1537
01:34:52,670 --> 01:34:55,047
all the way back to
when we're barely making

1538
01:34:55,059 --> 01:34:57,610
boats, you bring that
all the way through time.

1539
01:34:57,810 --> 01:34:59,250
There is a consistency.

1540
01:34:59,870 --> 01:35:01,070
Where does this start for you?

1541
01:35:02,170 --> 01:35:06,085
When you look up to the
stars, or you wonder what that

1542
01:35:06,097 --> 01:35:10,170
means, that every single
spot of light you see is a sun,

1543
01:35:10,650 --> 01:35:13,490
likely with orbiting planets
in the Goldilocks zone.

1544
01:35:13,690 --> 01:35:16,390
Where this starts is,
you have this intuition.

1545
01:35:17,490 --> 01:35:19,470
It doesn't matter who lies to you about it.

1546
01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:26,330
Like, do you realize, in your own
personal experience, that something's up?

1547
01:35:26,570 --> 01:35:27,990
Maybe you've had experiences.

1548
01:35:28,410 --> 01:35:29,810
You can't explain.

1549
01:35:30,290 --> 01:35:32,430
Not like seeing an alien, seeing a UFO.

1550
01:35:32,710 --> 01:35:35,190
I'm talking about like, simple things.

1551
01:35:36,130 --> 01:35:37,130
Feelings.

1552
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:38,510
Hunches.

1553
01:35:38,650 --> 01:35:40,510
Like, it's okay not to have the answers.

1554
01:35:40,890 --> 01:35:43,370
It's not okay to fucking hide the answers.

1555
01:35:44,170 --> 01:35:45,170
Be vocal.

1556
01:35:45,410 --> 01:35:46,450
Talk about it.

1557
01:35:46,810 --> 01:35:47,810
Discuss it.

1558
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:49,930
That's where all this starts for everybody.

1559
01:35:50,370 --> 01:35:51,430
Don't hide from it.

1560
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:55,370
This UFO thing is just
a fucking symbol, man.

1561
01:35:56,060 --> 01:35:57,060
It's a reminder.

1562
01:35:58,880 --> 01:35:59,910
Maybe that's all it is.

1563
01:36:00,915 --> 01:36:02,530
Maybe it's just there to remind you.

1564
01:36:03,070 --> 01:36:04,070
To make you guess.

1565
01:36:04,690 --> 01:36:05,690
To make you wonder.

1566
01:36:06,190 --> 01:36:07,270
Maybe that's what it's about.

1567
01:36:07,271 --> 01:36:08,430
I don't know.

1568
01:36:10,570 --> 01:36:11,890
I don't know.

1569
01:36:13,470 --> 01:36:17,570
But, um... Stop
telling yourself lies.

1570
01:36:18,615 --> 01:36:20,090
Other people are better at it.

1571
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,120
Life is strange.

1572
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:49,440
So am I.

1573
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:55,400
I'll be strange till the day that I die.

1574
01:36:56,660 --> 01:36:58,380
Life is sad.

1575
01:36:58,381 --> 01:36:59,381
Life is sad.

1576
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:01,360
So will you.

1577
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:04,040
That's alright.

1578
01:37:04,041 --> 01:37:07,680
We can cry if you want to.

1579
01:37:07,820 --> 01:37:08,880
Let's drink.

1580
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:10,440
Here's two words.

1581
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:11,560
Take a cup.

1582
01:37:11,700 --> 01:37:13,060
Go on, fill it up.

1583
01:37:13,690 --> 01:37:17,260
But you said you really
don't drink anymore.

1584
01:37:18,380 --> 01:37:25,510
And we all turn into dust.

1585
01:37:25,511 --> 01:37:29,630
And I'll stay forever right
here if you want me to.

1586
01:37:31,580 --> 01:37:34,100
Life is strange.

1587
01:37:34,340 --> 01:37:35,700
Life is strange.

1588
01:37:35,701 --> 01:37:36,940
Tell me why.

1589
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:42,660
Feel alone when I stare at the sky.

1590
01:37:43,860 --> 01:37:45,800
I'm unworthy.

1591
01:37:46,820 --> 01:37:48,520
So are you.

1592
01:37:49,540 --> 01:37:51,520
Life is strange.

1593
01:37:51,820 --> 01:37:54,280
So I do what I do.

1594
01:37:54,281 --> 01:37:58,060
Sing the old song.

1595
01:37:58,540 --> 01:38:00,240
Make me cry.

1596
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:06,180
I will stay till the day that I die.

1597
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:10,360
I'm unworthy.

1598
01:38:10,820 --> 01:38:12,200
So are you.

1599
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:14,860
Life is strange.

1600
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:16,400
I want you.